Yes, but unlike Ivan the Terrible. Miguel has the reputation of being a bastard (in the Brazilian court, which is probably true), in addition to not having huge popular support. He will have to work hard to be accepted, unlike Dom Pedro, who was already kind of tolerated (but that didn't stop his exile).
King Dom Miguel I of Brazil - An Absolutist Brazil Wank
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I dont think Leopoldina would go against Miguel either way
She was extremely loyal even at her own expense to a much worse husband(Pedro I) who publically humiliated her multiple times
A faithful and caring husband like this Miguel would make her even more devoted to him, regardless of conflicts with the Queen-mother who the population hates anyway
She was extremely loyal even at her own expense to a much worse husband(Pedro I) who publically humiliated her multiple times
A faithful and caring husband like this Miguel would make her even more devoted to him, regardless of conflicts with the Queen-mother who the population hates anyway
If he starts to be too arbitrary he will at least suffer the same as his brother and be expelled from the country at the very least. During this period, the only figure who remained popular for life was Maria Leopoldina (she alone).
Yessir, and she will do doubt raise their children to see themselves as BRAZILIANS.
The problem is less her and more the elite. Who at otl expelled the king for being unfaithful to her and for losing cisplatina
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At the end of the day, his bastardy rumours didn't prevent him from mustering an army much bigger than his older legitimate and charismatic brother's of all people. The only reason for to why he lost the war was because of Pedro's military prowess and sheer luck.
Besides, OTL he was the guy who ended the rule of the original Cortes in Portugal. His father alone would never have done it.
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The most serious question will be Carlota vs. Maria Leopoldina. How Miguel will react and which side he will take. Because that will tell you how stable the kingdom will be. Join the mother against the wife and we have a much worse situation than that of Dom Pedro 1, join the wife and isolate the mother (the idea for Brazil, but it will break the relationship between the two)
Maria Leopoldina all the way every single day, Miguel has his wits in him to read the room.
He achieved this by being in Portugal, not Brazil. The situation is not the same nor the country. He lost more due to the fact that his brother was expelled from Brazil. Carlota was not unpopular in Brazil she was violently hated. If he wants to stay in the country he will literally have to get rid of her (such was the level of hatred between Brazil and her.)
I hope so, for her sake too. Because her being poisoned is not improbable.
I mean even if Miguel is perceived as a bastard it took a military defeat, multiple rebellions, the loss of Cisplatina, his popular wife not only being scorned but fucking dying plus the bayonette parliament shenanigans for Pedro to be kicked out
Yes the fight with Portugal was a setback, but Miguel has a loyal wife, is not fighting rebellions, is seen by brazilians as a monarch who went out of his way to personally fight in their stead, didnt lose Uruguay, has a loyal military and the slave owning aristocracy simply isnt as entrenched yet as they would be later during the post regency Brazil Empire
Other than a few rumors about his mothers infidelity and losing Portugal due to british-spanish interference(rather than his leadership being lacking) Miguel has everything going for him and right now is popular enough to do pretty much whatever he wants
So long he doesnt squander that by doing something incredibly stupid like sucking up to his mother too much he has everything set for him
Yes the fight with Portugal was a setback, but Miguel has a loyal wife, is not fighting rebellions, is seen by brazilians as a monarch who went out of his way to personally fight in their stead, didnt lose Uruguay, has a loyal military and the slave owning aristocracy simply isnt as entrenched yet as they would be later during the post regency Brazil Empire
Other than a few rumors about his mothers infidelity and losing Portugal due to british-spanish interference(rather than his leadership being lacking) Miguel has everything going for him and right now is popular enough to do pretty much whatever he wants
So long he doesnt squander that by doing something incredibly stupid like sucking up to his mother too much he has everything set for him
Yep, Miguel REALLY can't afford to lose her. Specially with a single boy and the braganza curse.
You're right on the money bro! Let's hope he directs all that attention and care to his wife and he's golden.
Yes, he just has to ignore his mother's advice and listen to his wife's and the kingdom will be fine.
And i got a feeling that his son and heir Miguel II will be the one that will forge the Brazilian identity and it's definitive independance from portugal.
Ancien Régime in the New World
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The result of the Portuguese Civil War shocked King Miguel I, who not only had the initial advantage, but truly believed that God would clear the path for his cause.
Nonetheless, far from being someone who would give up his birthright at the first setback, the King decided to play the long game, strengthening his American base with the hopes of one day recovering control over his ancestral homeland. This wasn’t such a hassle to begin with, considering the monarch lived in Brazil since he was seven years old, and was already arguably as much a Brazilian as a Portuguese.
With Portugal under the rule of the Cortes and his older sister, a Bragança by birth but a foreign Queen by circumstances, Brazil became, in many ways, and specially among those European Portuguese who held the deepest loyalties towards the King and the Church, the true seat of the Lusitan Nation, at least in a temporary capacity. Motivated by promises of land and by their distaste for the Spanish influence in Lisbon, thousands of Portuguese, low class and high class, would make the trip to the New World to settle in the southern part of Brazil.
In special, after the failed insurrection by revolutionaries in Cisplatine in 1825, quelled quickly by General Lecor, reinforced by soldiers returning from the defeated “Exército da Reconquista”, Rio de Janeiro took the properties of many Cisplatine landowners which were suspected of hoarding sympathy for the rebels and for Buenos Aires, granting those lands for the Portuguese exiles and for the soldiers who fought in the King’s campaigns, strengthening Rio de Janeiro’s grip over the Banda Oriental of the La Plata River. Charque, a type of dried meat, was the main produce in this area, and the King quickly acted to give the São Pedro and Cisplatine frontier yeoman and big landowners the protection needed from the Argentinian dried meat by means of heavy tariffs, which angered those coffee and sugar landowners more up north, which counted on the low price of said dried meat to fed their slaves.
This was only one of the reasons which started the internal political conflict between the King and the big slaveowners, but it was far from the most important.
After the London Armistice between Lisbon and Rio, no clear international consensus was established on who was the legitimate King of the United Kingdom, but Lisbon, being a European capital and with connections to Madrid, held the advantage here. Miguel, wanting to overcome the odds, considering that the condemnation of the Slave Trade was a consensus even among the most conservative nations of the Congress of Vienna, decreed in 1826 an immediate end to the transatlantic slave trade in Brazil, and mobilized the army and the navy to make this decision real. More obscure reasons existed for this decision, like the desire to spite his older sister by denying Lisbon the revenues from the sell of slaves in Angola, a thing he hoped would help undermine her rule, but also the British pressure and the perceived opportunity of seizing the fortune and properties of the rich Brazilian citizens which failed to comply with the law, considering no business made more noveau rich than the slave trade.
This decision antagonized the slaveowner class to an extreme decree, and liberal agitation started to grow in the shadows, with a special participation of the Masonry, which even if forbidden by the State, was becoming more popular day by day among the Brazilian elites.
Even if an advisory Council of State existed, with representatives from all provinces, the rule of the King was guaranteed by the support of three institutions: the navy, the army and the church, the last one holding a special role inside the conservative order espoused by King Miguel, in contrast to Brazil’s neighbours on all sides, Republics which had already mostly settled into a Constitutional order. These differences helped create a siege mentally in the Court, which prompted King Miguel to act towards the strengthening of the material capabilities of the Kingdom. In special, and allegedly as a trade back for the abolishment of the slave trade, but also as vengeance for the taking of Goa, Miguel repealed all the tariff exemptions with protected British goods since 1808, helping to foster the creation of early manufactures in Rio de Janeiro and other coastal cities, a thing which greatly ingratiated the King with the commercial and urban aspects of Brazil, and also generated revenue for the continue maintenance of the standing army and navy, a sword to the throat of the separatist elites the likes of which tried the revolution which killed his older brother.
In the Court, the charisma of Queen Leopoldina was only challenged by the repellence of Queen Dowager Carlota Joaquina, which despise was a consensus among the many factions which searched for the King’s favour. Under the advices of his wife, King Miguel arranged a soft exile for his dear mother, which was sent to Montevideo of all places, a growing town of 30k inhabitants, where she would happily and scandalously entertain many gentlemen of Platine origin until her death in 1835, and in special those of unitarian and monarchist links in Buenos Aires.
The Prince, being raised by the Queen, which different from the King, wasn’t so hopeful on the prospects of ever coming back to Europe now that the grip of Madrid grew ever stronger over little Portugal, was taught from birth to appreciate the growing Brazilian heritage, which different from Spanish America, where violent clashes gave birth to a militant identity, was growing slowly and with the acceptance of those who had been born in the European homeland.
Nonetheless, far from being someone who would give up his birthright at the first setback, the King decided to play the long game, strengthening his American base with the hopes of one day recovering control over his ancestral homeland. This wasn’t such a hassle to begin with, considering the monarch lived in Brazil since he was seven years old, and was already arguably as much a Brazilian as a Portuguese.
With Portugal under the rule of the Cortes and his older sister, a Bragança by birth but a foreign Queen by circumstances, Brazil became, in many ways, and specially among those European Portuguese who held the deepest loyalties towards the King and the Church, the true seat of the Lusitan Nation, at least in a temporary capacity. Motivated by promises of land and by their distaste for the Spanish influence in Lisbon, thousands of Portuguese, low class and high class, would make the trip to the New World to settle in the southern part of Brazil.
In special, after the failed insurrection by revolutionaries in Cisplatine in 1825, quelled quickly by General Lecor, reinforced by soldiers returning from the defeated “Exército da Reconquista”, Rio de Janeiro took the properties of many Cisplatine landowners which were suspected of hoarding sympathy for the rebels and for Buenos Aires, granting those lands for the Portuguese exiles and for the soldiers who fought in the King’s campaigns, strengthening Rio de Janeiro’s grip over the Banda Oriental of the La Plata River. Charque, a type of dried meat, was the main produce in this area, and the King quickly acted to give the São Pedro and Cisplatine frontier yeoman and big landowners the protection needed from the Argentinian dried meat by means of heavy tariffs, which angered those coffee and sugar landowners more up north, which counted on the low price of said dried meat to fed their slaves.
This was only one of the reasons which started the internal political conflict between the King and the big slaveowners, but it was far from the most important.
After the London Armistice between Lisbon and Rio, no clear international consensus was established on who was the legitimate King of the United Kingdom, but Lisbon, being a European capital and with connections to Madrid, held the advantage here. Miguel, wanting to overcome the odds, considering that the condemnation of the Slave Trade was a consensus even among the most conservative nations of the Congress of Vienna, decreed in 1826 an immediate end to the transatlantic slave trade in Brazil, and mobilized the army and the navy to make this decision real. More obscure reasons existed for this decision, like the desire to spite his older sister by denying Lisbon the revenues from the sell of slaves in Angola, a thing he hoped would help undermine her rule, but also the British pressure and the perceived opportunity of seizing the fortune and properties of the rich Brazilian citizens which failed to comply with the law, considering no business made more noveau rich than the slave trade.
This decision antagonized the slaveowner class to an extreme decree, and liberal agitation started to grow in the shadows, with a special participation of the Masonry, which even if forbidden by the State, was becoming more popular day by day among the Brazilian elites.
Even if an advisory Council of State existed, with representatives from all provinces, the rule of the King was guaranteed by the support of three institutions: the navy, the army and the church, the last one holding a special role inside the conservative order espoused by King Miguel, in contrast to Brazil’s neighbours on all sides, Republics which had already mostly settled into a Constitutional order. These differences helped create a siege mentally in the Court, which prompted King Miguel to act towards the strengthening of the material capabilities of the Kingdom. In special, and allegedly as a trade back for the abolishment of the slave trade, but also as vengeance for the taking of Goa, Miguel repealed all the tariff exemptions with protected British goods since 1808, helping to foster the creation of early manufactures in Rio de Janeiro and other coastal cities, a thing which greatly ingratiated the King with the commercial and urban aspects of Brazil, and also generated revenue for the continue maintenance of the standing army and navy, a sword to the throat of the separatist elites the likes of which tried the revolution which killed his older brother.
In the Court, the charisma of Queen Leopoldina was only challenged by the repellence of Queen Dowager Carlota Joaquina, which despise was a consensus among the many factions which searched for the King’s favour. Under the advices of his wife, King Miguel arranged a soft exile for his dear mother, which was sent to Montevideo of all places, a growing town of 30k inhabitants, where she would happily and scandalously entertain many gentlemen of Platine origin until her death in 1835, and in special those of unitarian and monarchist links in Buenos Aires.
The Prince, being raised by the Queen, which different from the King, wasn’t so hopeful on the prospects of ever coming back to Europe now that the grip of Madrid grew ever stronger over little Portugal, was taught from birth to appreciate the growing Brazilian heritage, which different from Spanish America, where violent clashes gave birth to a militant identity, was growing slowly and with the acceptance of those who had been born in the European homeland.
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Absolutely loved the chapter!
Miguel is imposing his authority and making stides for a very strong, centrilized and autocratic empire for his son and if he can spite the british, his sister and brother-in-law all the better!
And i knew he would side with his beloved wife over his mother! Leopoldina for the win!
The Brazilian identity os beign forged people!
Miguel is imposing his authority and making stides for a very strong, centrilized and autocratic empire for his son and if he can spite the british, his sister and brother-in-law all the better!
And i knew he would side with his beloved wife over his mother! Leopoldina for the win!
The Brazilian identity os beign forged people!
But Miguel has his very charismatic wife and the loyalty from the military.
The former will get the smart ones on his side and the letter crush the rest and sieze their propiety for the crown.