Well, I think that Star Wars is basically overrated - and it's mainstream to scold the sequel trilogy in the Russian Internet space.
Your Personal Pop Culture Utopia timeline
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Yeah she couldn't keep herself sane dealing with left wingers going after her for fun and right wingers going after her for being a woman and a progressive at the same time.
Tomato, Tomahto.
You do realize that Lindsay Elis herself started as a "shouty critic" so she wouldn't be a thing either, right?
Yes, I know, in this alternate universe she would have started doing her more recent style.
It was a quick little set of ideas, not some kind of all-encompassing description of an entire pop culture universe, you know?
This isn't really a utopia, but some of the butterflies from this would certainly seem like it...
Ted Turner Buys Disney in 1980; Keeps Entire Company Whole
Knockbacks:
Because most of Disney's films and TV shows were made in color, Ted Turner's colorization problems are a lot less blatantly shown with the Disney library. After all, it would be utter filthy sacrilege to get Steamboat Willie a sloppy coat of paint.
The Disney Channel is launched in 1982, and had most of its schedule be made of movies for the first year of its life. The original programming would still begin in 1983.
Turner still buys MGM/UA, keeps the pre-1986 library, and acquires Hanna-Barbera. However, to stave off any anti-trust lawsuits, he sells the Warner Bros. library from AAP back to WB. Ted keeps the Popeye cartoons and everything else, though.
Touchstone Pictures and Walt Disney Television Animation are still founded.
Disney-MGM Studios has a sister park in WDW that is founded on the exact same day, and that theme park is an extended and expanded version of The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera, with the famous dark ride as its centerpiece. Meanwhile, Tom and Jerry and the Tex Avery characters become part of Mickey's Toontown.
WB buys the rest of MGM/UA in 1995, a decade after purchasing CBS in 1985. This means that Warner Bros. Animation is responsible for Terrytoons's Curbside revival in 1999 and the 1993 Pink Panther series.
Kids WB is turned into a 24-hour channel to compete against Viacom's Nickelodeon, and Turner's package of Cartoon Network, Disney Channel, and Toon Disney. This Kids WB channel airs all of WB's cartoon library, which unfortunately amounts to a slightly smaller amount than their OTL counterpart.
To clarify, Cartoon Network houses the Hanna-Barbera library, the classic Ruby-Spears shows, and the Popeye & MGM cartoons. Toon Disney airs the new Disney shows, like DuckTales and Gargoyles. Disney Channel airs a mix of everything family-friendly that Disney-Turner has under their belts. All three of these channels are under the Family tier of cable, and in the same package deal together.
The likes of Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, and The Powerpuff Girls are made by Disney in this timeline, opting to merge HB's animation studio into Disney's television arm. Turner still has the distribution of the classics to themselves.
Hanna-Barbera Home Video is a division of Walt Disney Home Entertainment ITTL.
Cartoon Cartoon Fridays still exists, while Disney's One Saturday Morning operated on Disney Channel and Toon Disney in this timeline.
Speaking of which, Disney does not acquire ABC, choosing instead to focus on cable offerings. Instead, ABC is bought by Sony and houses more than enough Columbia-Tristar shows and all the stuff they made and acquired over the years. This does mean that Silvergate Media provides ABC's SatAM lineup starting in 2018.
Paramount keeps running UPN, since they don't own CBS in this timeline. As such, it never merges with The WB, and Nickelodeon's programs air there instead.
I'm sure I can think of more, but I'll let your questions do the talking for now.
Ted Turner Buys Disney in 1980; Keeps Entire Company Whole
Knockbacks:
Because most of Disney's films and TV shows were made in color, Ted Turner's colorization problems are a lot less blatantly shown with the Disney library. After all, it would be utter filthy sacrilege to get Steamboat Willie a sloppy coat of paint.
The Disney Channel is launched in 1982, and had most of its schedule be made of movies for the first year of its life. The original programming would still begin in 1983.
Turner still buys MGM/UA, keeps the pre-1986 library, and acquires Hanna-Barbera. However, to stave off any anti-trust lawsuits, he sells the Warner Bros. library from AAP back to WB. Ted keeps the Popeye cartoons and everything else, though.
Touchstone Pictures and Walt Disney Television Animation are still founded.
Disney-MGM Studios has a sister park in WDW that is founded on the exact same day, and that theme park is an extended and expanded version of The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera, with the famous dark ride as its centerpiece. Meanwhile, Tom and Jerry and the Tex Avery characters become part of Mickey's Toontown.
WB buys the rest of MGM/UA in 1995, a decade after purchasing CBS in 1985. This means that Warner Bros. Animation is responsible for Terrytoons's Curbside revival in 1999 and the 1993 Pink Panther series.
Kids WB is turned into a 24-hour channel to compete against Viacom's Nickelodeon, and Turner's package of Cartoon Network, Disney Channel, and Toon Disney. This Kids WB channel airs all of WB's cartoon library, which unfortunately amounts to a slightly smaller amount than their OTL counterpart.
To clarify, Cartoon Network houses the Hanna-Barbera library, the classic Ruby-Spears shows, and the Popeye & MGM cartoons. Toon Disney airs the new Disney shows, like DuckTales and Gargoyles. Disney Channel airs a mix of everything family-friendly that Disney-Turner has under their belts. All three of these channels are under the Family tier of cable, and in the same package deal together.
The likes of Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, and The Powerpuff Girls are made by Disney in this timeline, opting to merge HB's animation studio into Disney's television arm. Turner still has the distribution of the classics to themselves.
Hanna-Barbera Home Video is a division of Walt Disney Home Entertainment ITTL.
Cartoon Cartoon Fridays still exists, while Disney's One Saturday Morning operated on Disney Channel and Toon Disney in this timeline.
Speaking of which, Disney does not acquire ABC, choosing instead to focus on cable offerings. Instead, ABC is bought by Sony and houses more than enough Columbia-Tristar shows and all the stuff they made and acquired over the years. This does mean that Silvergate Media provides ABC's SatAM lineup starting in 2018.
Paramount keeps running UPN, since they don't own CBS in this timeline. As such, it never merges with The WB, and Nickelodeon's programs air there instead.
I'm sure I can think of more, but I'll let your questions do the talking for now.
Question, would they still have dubbed anime? (IE, Pokémon, Yu-Gi-oh)
Yes, and with Pokemon not being on Cartoon Network, it doesn't jump ship to Disney
. This is because the Kids WB channel would use a lot of the block's assets. And by assets, I mean "company licenses".Speaking of which, Earthworm Jim and Freakazoid would get additional seasons on cable, while Crash Bandicoot gets his long-awaited cartoon show on the Kids WB channel.
To add to this, the Kids WB channel becomes the exclusive home for the Terrytoons and DePatie-Freleng libraries once the programming licenses with USA Network and the like run out.
That, and USA Cartoon Express doesn't run out of steam in the 90s. They just get help from the likes of Xilam and Nelvana.
And you might be wondering how Kids WB and CBS can coexist. Well, Kids WB airs shows like Animaniacs, The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries, Batman/Superman, and Pokemon, while CBS gets the Pink Panther and Terrytoons reboots I mentioned earlier. However, to metaphorically pay for this, Garfield and Friends and TMNT move full-time to syndication, and then to the USA Cartoon Express in 1990 and 1994, respectively. This is why that block doesn't go under like it did IRL.
Oh, and one more thing: Fox buys Lucasfilm, Pixar, and Marvel instead of Disney, while Sony acquires the Muppets and Orion Pictures.
Not much of a utopia, but what if Disney acquired its desired merger with NBC in 1999 and CNN and ABC News merged in 2003, with Ted Turner leading AOL Time Warner rather than feeling sidelined? Though I do feel Disney has gone way too far in acquiring IP's and their media monopoly is too much, I am curious what Disney led news would be like. Same with CNN and ABC News (not a fan of either), but Ted Turner is cool, and it's possible that they could still "beat" Fox News in the metrics, at least for a little while longer.
Basically a bunch of self-righteous people who happened to be on the left used left-wing social justice advocacy language to paint her as being irredeemable due to a tweet where she said that Raya seemed similar to Avatar.
It was sadistic people cloaking their sadism in social justice terms. It doesn't speak for all or even many people on the left, but not everyone on the left is a cool person, just like not everyone on the right is a cool person.
You realize the MCU didn’t really create the idea of an interconnected media franchise, right?
With this hypothetical you’ve created, even if the MCU is a weird failure (It just seems like you’re trying to be edgy here), the concept of a cinematic universe is still gonna exist. Like, the DCAU did the whole interconnected Superhero universe thing almost a decade prior to the first Avengers film.
Farther back than that. The idea of crossover movies goes back to the Universal Monsters.You realize the MCU didn’t really create the idea of an interconnected media franchise, right?
With this hypothetical you’ve created, even if the MCU is a weird failure (It just seems like you’re trying to be edgy here), the concept of a cinematic universe is still gonna exist. Like, the DCAU did the whole interconnected Superhero universe thing almost a decade prior to the first Avengers film.
MCU (Classic Version)
Main Films
1998 : Blade
2000 : X-Men
2002 : Spider Man,Blade 2
2003 : Hulk,Daredevil,X Men 2
2004 : Spider-Man 2,Punisher,Blade 3
2005 : Iron Man,Fantastic Four
2006 : X Men 3,Hulk 2,Thor
2007 : Spider-Man 3,Captain America
2008 : The Avengers
Spin-Offs
2005 : Eletrka
2009 : Hannibal
Main Films
1998 : Blade
2000 : X-Men
2002 : Spider Man,Blade 2
2003 : Hulk,Daredevil,X Men 2
2004 : Spider-Man 2,Punisher,Blade 3
2005 : Iron Man,Fantastic Four
2006 : X Men 3,Hulk 2,Thor
2007 : Spider-Man 3,Captain America
2008 : The Avengers
Spin-Offs
2005 : Eletrka
2009 : Hannibal
You realize the MCU didn’t really create the idea of an interconnected media franchise, right?
With this hypothetical you’ve created, even if the MCU is a weird failure (It just seems like you’re trying to be edgy here), the concept of a cinematic universe is still gonna exist. Like, the DCAU did the whole interconnected Superhero universe thing almost a decade prior to the first Avengers film.
Yes indeed.
Then... this isn't really the place for that lol
It almost has nothing to do with Pop Culture excluding your weird tirade about the MCU.
The World Of Football with no UEFA And FIFA Have Corrupt Everything and PSG,Man City,Dortmund and Bayern Ruined It and Dominace the League Part 2
Super Lig
2008-2009 : Sivasspor
2009-2010 : Bursaspor
2010-2011 : Fenerbahçe
2011-2012 : Galatasaray
2012-2013 : Galatasaray
2013-2014 : Fenerbahçe
2014-2015 : Galatasaray
2015-2016 : Besiktas
2016-2017 : Basaksehir
2017-2018 : Basaksehir
2018-2019 : Galatasaray
2019-2020 : Trabzonspor
2020-2021 : Besiktas
Eredivisie
2008-2009 : AZ
2009-2010 : Twente
2010-2011 : Ajax
2011-2012 : Ajax
2012-2013 : Ajax
2013-2014 : Feyenoord
2014-2015 : PSV Eindhoven
2015-2016 : PSV Eindhoven
2016-2017 : Feyenoord
2017-2018 : Ajax
2018-2019 : Ajax
2019-2020 : AZ
2020-2021 : AZ
Superleague Greece
2008-2009 : Olympiacos
2009-2010 : Panathinaikos
2010-2011 : Panathinaikos
2011-2012 : Panathinaikos
2012-2013 : PAOK
2013-2014 : Olympiacos
2014-2015 : Panathinaikos
2015-2016 : PAOK
2016-2017 : Olympiacos
2017-2018 : AEK Athens
2018-2019 : PAOK
2019-2020 : AEK Athens
2020-2021 : AEK Athens
Cypriot First Division
2008-2009 : APOEL
2009-2010 : Omonia
2010-2011 : APOEL
2011-2012 : AEL Limassol
2012-2013 : APOEL
2013-2014 : APOEL
2014-2015 : APOEL
2015-2016 : APOEL
2016-2017 : Anorthosis
2017-2018 : APOEL
2018-2019 : AEK Larnaca
2019-2020 : Omonia
2020-2021 : Omonia
Swiss Super League
2008-2009 : Zurich
2009-2010 : Basel
2010-2011 : Basel
2011-2012 : Basel
2012-2013 : Basel
2013-2014 : Grasshopper
2014-2015 : Basel
2015-2016 : Young Boys
2016-2017 : Young Boys
2017-2018 : Young Boys
2018-2019 : Young Boys
2019-2020 : Young Boys
2020-2021 : St. Gallen
Jupiler Pro League
2008-2009 : Standard Liege
2009-2010 : Anderlecht
2010-2011 : Genk
2011-2012 : Anderlecht
2012-2013 : Anderlecht
2013-2014 : Genk
2014-2015 : Gent
2015-2016 : Club Brugge
2016-2017 : Anderlecht
2017-2018 : Standard Liege
2018-2019 : Genk
2019-2020 : Club Brugge
2020-2021 : Club Brugge
Ukrainian Premier League
2008-2009 : Dynamo Kyiv
2009-2010 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2010-2011 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2011-2012 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2012-2013 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2013-2014 : Dnipro
2014-2015 : Dynamo Kyiv
2015-2016 : Dnipro
2016-2017 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2017-2018 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2018-2019 : Metalist
2019-2020 : Zorya Luhansk
2020-2021 : Dynamo Kyiv
Super Lig
2008-2009 : Sivasspor
2009-2010 : Bursaspor
2010-2011 : Fenerbahçe
2011-2012 : Galatasaray
2012-2013 : Galatasaray
2013-2014 : Fenerbahçe
2014-2015 : Galatasaray
2015-2016 : Besiktas
2016-2017 : Basaksehir
2017-2018 : Basaksehir
2018-2019 : Galatasaray
2019-2020 : Trabzonspor
2020-2021 : Besiktas
Eredivisie
2008-2009 : AZ
2009-2010 : Twente
2010-2011 : Ajax
2011-2012 : Ajax
2012-2013 : Ajax
2013-2014 : Feyenoord
2014-2015 : PSV Eindhoven
2015-2016 : PSV Eindhoven
2016-2017 : Feyenoord
2017-2018 : Ajax
2018-2019 : Ajax
2019-2020 : AZ
2020-2021 : AZ
Superleague Greece
2008-2009 : Olympiacos
2009-2010 : Panathinaikos
2010-2011 : Panathinaikos
2011-2012 : Panathinaikos
2012-2013 : PAOK
2013-2014 : Olympiacos
2014-2015 : Panathinaikos
2015-2016 : PAOK
2016-2017 : Olympiacos
2017-2018 : AEK Athens
2018-2019 : PAOK
2019-2020 : AEK Athens
2020-2021 : AEK Athens
Cypriot First Division
2008-2009 : APOEL
2009-2010 : Omonia
2010-2011 : APOEL
2011-2012 : AEL Limassol
2012-2013 : APOEL
2013-2014 : APOEL
2014-2015 : APOEL
2015-2016 : APOEL
2016-2017 : Anorthosis
2017-2018 : APOEL
2018-2019 : AEK Larnaca
2019-2020 : Omonia
2020-2021 : Omonia
Swiss Super League
2008-2009 : Zurich
2009-2010 : Basel
2010-2011 : Basel
2011-2012 : Basel
2012-2013 : Basel
2013-2014 : Grasshopper
2014-2015 : Basel
2015-2016 : Young Boys
2016-2017 : Young Boys
2017-2018 : Young Boys
2018-2019 : Young Boys
2019-2020 : Young Boys
2020-2021 : St. Gallen
Jupiler Pro League
2008-2009 : Standard Liege
2009-2010 : Anderlecht
2010-2011 : Genk
2011-2012 : Anderlecht
2012-2013 : Anderlecht
2013-2014 : Genk
2014-2015 : Gent
2015-2016 : Club Brugge
2016-2017 : Anderlecht
2017-2018 : Standard Liege
2018-2019 : Genk
2019-2020 : Club Brugge
2020-2021 : Club Brugge
Ukrainian Premier League
2008-2009 : Dynamo Kyiv
2009-2010 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2010-2011 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2011-2012 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2012-2013 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2013-2014 : Dnipro
2014-2015 : Dynamo Kyiv
2015-2016 : Dnipro
2016-2017 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2017-2018 : Shakhtar Donetsk
2018-2019 : Metalist
2019-2020 : Zorya Luhansk
2020-2021 : Dynamo Kyiv
You're right, I forgot that. In that case, I guess I'd specify that the specific MCU-DCEU model doesn't rise to prominence.You realize the MCU didn’t really create the idea of an interconnected media franchise, right?
With this hypothetical you’ve created, even if the MCU is a weird failure (It just seems like you’re trying to be edgy here), the concept of a cinematic universe is still gonna exist. Like, the DCAU did the whole interconnected Superhero universe thing almost a decade prior to the first Avengers film.
I was talking about pop culture criticism, which is ultimately a discussion on pop culture and its fandoms.
Also, there's no need for value judgments on "weird tirades", let's try and keep things civil, please?
It would... still happen regardless lmfao
Franchising is inevitable, it's happened with everything.
But this thread is primarily about pop culture MEDIA, not criticism.