Triple Calamity: What if the Three Most Important Men in the Executive Branch Died in One Night?

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Ranking the Presidents Pt.1 Question
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    • Mr.Q

    How would you all rank the Triple Calamity Presidents so far?


    (I'll post the 1890s historians rankings with the midterms later today.) Your insight may prove quite useful in that report.

    At the end of the TL we'll do this a second time. (And of course I'll show the contemporary historian ranking from TTL.)
     
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    • Mr.Q

    My computer is messed up, I'll post the next chapter in my free time mid day tomorrow.

    In the meantime

    New York Times Harvard History Professor Rankings of the Presidents circa 1890
    1. Abraham Lincoln 99/100
    2. Ulysses Grant 95/100
    3. George Washington 95/100
    4. Thomas Jefferson 93/100
    5. James Monroe 90/100
    6. James K. Polk 89/100
    7. Charles Francis Adams 88/100
    8. Lafayette S. Foster 86/100
    9. John Quincy Adams II 85/100
    10. James Madison 85/100
    11. Philip Sheridan 83/100
    12. Andrew Jackson 81/100
    13. George F. Edmunds 80/100
    14. John Adams 79/100
    15. James Garfield 75/100
    16. Winfield Scott Hancock 70/100
    17. John Quincy Adams 69/100
    18. William Henry Harrison 66/100
    19. Zachary Taylor 62/100
    20. Martin Van Buren 60/100
    21. Frederick Seward 58/100
    22. Millard Fillmore 52/100
    23. John Tyler 49/100
    24. George McClellan 40/100
    25. Franklin Pierce 35/100
    26. James Buchanan 27/100
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    In bold are the three most famed and honored Presidents. LINCOLN, GRANT and WASHINGTON are interchangeable for the top spot in the north and west. The Lost Cause is unable to really attack Grant in this TL. Needless to say, by the 21st century every child from kindergarten knows the names Ulysses Grant, George Washington and of course Abraham Lincoln.

    They are dubbed

    AMERICA'S TORCHBEARERS
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    • Mr.Q

    Mr.Q said:
    My computer is messed up, I'll post the next chapter in my free time mid day tomorrow.

    In the meantime

    New York Times Harvard History Professor Rankings of the Presidents circa 1890
    1. Abraham Lincoln 99/100
    2. Ulysses Grant 95/100
    3. George Washington 95/100
    4. Thomas Jefferson 93/100
    5. James Monroe 90/100
    6. James K. Polk 89/100
    7. Charles Francis Adams 88/100
    8. Lafayette S. Foster 86/100
    9. John Quincy Adams II 85/100
    10. James Madison 85/100
    11. Philip Sheridan 83/100
    12. Andrew Jackson 81/100
    13. George F. Edmunds 80/100
    14. John Adams 79/100
    15. James Garfield 75/100
    16. Winfield Scott Hancock 70/100
    17. John Quincy Adams 69/100
    18. William Henry Harrison 66/100
    19. Zachary Taylor 62/100
    20. Martin Van Buren
    21. Frederick Seward 58/100
    22. Millard Fillmore 52/100
    23. John Tyler 49/100
    24. George McClellan 40/100
    25. Franklin Pierce 35/100
    26. James Buchanan 27/100
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    In bold are the three most famed and revered Presidents. LINCOLN, GRANT and WASHINGTON are interchangeable for the top spot in the north and west. The Lost Cause is unable to really attack Grant in this TL. Needless to say by the 21st century every child from kindergarten knows the name Ulysses Grant.

    They are dubbed

    AMERICA'S TORCHBEARERS
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    Obviously in the failed reconstruction states Lincoln and Grant have no such reverence.

    That said in
    Alabama
    Arkansas
    Florida
    Tennessee
    Virgina
    and Lincoln
    The National Torchbearers have an even greater significance. Many african americans are deeply enthralled by them. Tons of statues, towns and places are named for them. Some of the most popular baby names for freedmen are:

    BOYS: Ulysses, George, Abe, Grant.

    Girls: Lincoln, Washington. Ulysses.

    Even among white familes the names Grant and George are becoming very popular.

    THE RNC and LNC especially push the love for these three.
     
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    Mr.Q

    A Random Man said:
    For girls? These sound very masculine
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    By the 20th century they become somewhat gender neutral among African Americans. Obviously not every child is named that way, plenty have traditional American and Roman inspired names. But both genders gain acquire presidential names.
     

    Mr.Q

    Ironically the name of the Greek hero Ulysses adopts the same status as Kieren or James today.

    There all also different spellings that will end up evolving and denoting gender.

    Lincoln and Washington are rarely used on men. And women with those names are rarely called ‘Lincoln or Washington’. Instead nicknames like Linc or Washy become synonymous, like Phillip and Phil.
     
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    A Random Man

    Mr.Q said:
    By the 20th century they become somewhat gender neutral among African Americans. Obviously not every child is named that way, plenty have traditional American and Roman inspired names. But both genders gain acquire presidential names.
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    Maybe with Washington and Ulysses, but I don't know about Lincoln. Girls with such a name probably get called Link or Lily for shorthand.
     

    Mr.Q

    Most important take away is as @A Random Man mentioned, President Grant has a much better legacy. To Americans in this alternate 2024, he is slightly more well known than Teddy Roosevelt or FDR stand today.

    You could go into a kindergarten classroom and ask if they’ve heard of Grant… they’ll probably say yes.
     

    Mr.Q

    Regular update schedule coming back this week. Sorry! I’ve been busy and thought I’d be more freed up!

    I’ll try to get the midterms chapter out today, it’s just kinda a beast to write.
     

    Mr.Q

    ALRIGHT! Chapter 28 is not easy to write, there is a lot. So I'm splitting her into two parts!

    Chapter 28: A New Decade

    Today: PT.1- The congressional chaos, populist-republican implosion, the Rail Revolt

    Tomorrow (hopefully): PT.2 The midterms, economic chaos, Democratic chaos.

    Tomorrow or Thursday: 1890 Census
     

    DTF955Baseballfan

    A Random Man said:
    Maybe with Washington and Ulysses, but I don't know about Lincoln. Girls with such a name probably get called Link or Lily for shorthand.
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    A woman in my dorm at college was named Lincoln and went by that; her last name was Kennedy so you can tell them were going for the Presidential naming thing.

    Still, Link makes sense as a nickname. I think it's generational, too; there's probably an ebb and flow to who gets what names. I seem to recall Kennedy as a male or female name a few deaces ago. (In fact, it's possible my mind is confusing the aforementioned woman with another one named LIncoln I knew, and this woman was Kennedy Lincoln. :)

    So Grant would be on Mount Rushmore; almost looks like there's room for a 5th so would there be 5 if TR gets on, or not? Of course, he might not even become President.
     
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    Mr.Q

    DTF955Baseballfan said:
    A woman in my dorm at college was named Lincoln and went by that; her last name was Kennedy so you can tell them were going for the Presidential naming thing.

    Still, Link makes sense as a nickname. I think it's generational, too; there's probably an ebb and flow to who gets what names. I seem to recall Kennedy as a male or female name a few deaces ago. (In fact, it's possible my mind is confusing the aforementioned woman with another one named LIncoln I knew, and this woman was Kennedy Lincoln. :)

    So Grant would be on Mount Rushmore; almost looks like there's room for a 5th so would there be 5 if TR gets on, or not? Of course, he might not even become President.
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    I actually haven't even thought about Rushmore 💀. I've though about the national mall though!
     
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