Heathen Empires - A tale of Scandinavia, Ghana, and Persia

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"Stellaris is an odd name to call a ship." Alvi said, rubbing her chin as she looked at the shape being built up in the scaffolds. The young scientist had only recently arrived from Thorholm, and her newness to this sort of environment showed in the wobble to her steps as she adjusted to where she was.

"Believe me I wanted to name it after a person rather than something so generic." Ivan laughed, the man adjusting his tie and offering the blonde an earnest smile as she gave a bit of a snort.

"A generic name would cause the least argument." Zhou said, the older Chinese man intruding into the space of the pair as their eyes flicked over to him.

"Did it have to be so...Latin?" Malisa said, the Iranian woman folding her arms with a visible frown forming on her face as Zhou nodded and gave her an apologetic look.

"It's been a long time, I think we can forgive the transgressions of foregone centuries by now." Zhou said, nodding at the end of his sentence.

"Not all wounds are so old, Zhou." Abena said, the Ghanian scientist scowling ever so slightly as she inserted herself into the conversation.

"If there was ever a time to close them, I think now would be best. This is something meant to be shared by humanity, not a further cause for division." Zhou said, placing his arms behind his back as he looked onto the shape forming, watching the machines work with a small smile on his face. Even now the world still found ways to impress him.

"It's not dragging up the image of the "Romans" that bothers me, it's that it's really cheesy." Alvi said with a laugh, having let everyone else meander about the conversation to her amusement.

"What else are you going to call a space ship without tripping on someone's sensibilities? Calling it the League like I wanted at first would probably seem a bit like gloating to the ex-Dominion nations wouldn't it?" Ivan said, Alvi tapping the end of her stylus to her lips before shrugging and sighing in defeat.

"...Fair point." She said with an exhale.

Excerpt from the Blog "History's Mysteries". Circa 2200 A.D​


As the human race prepares to make its first journey into the stars with the Stellaris system, we must first ask how we got here. How have we come to stand at this point in history, with world wars and crusades now behind us and the infinite expanse of space in front of us? Fortunately, describing the journey we have taken is the purpose of this blog post. Some would start our journey all the way back at the dawn of recorded history at Sumer, or even before when we lived in caves and hunted wild mammoths for sustenance. I however will start with the beginning of what many would call the "middle ages" that existed between antiquity and modernity.

I am Alfhildr Larrsen, a historian from the Nordarikki from the city of Agnafit, and I've started this blog to show you all the journey that we've taken from 769 to now. A journey full of great glories and inspiration and of tremendous sorrows and tragedies. Of the formation of kingdoms and empires and the blood and slaughter of world wars and genocide. Of discovery and of atrocity. Of the rise and fall of great powers and the path that faith has taken in the course of centuries. While I'm not fond of the pornography of delving into atrocity, I will try not to shy away from the ugly parts of history, just as I will not shy away from its triumphs and oddities. And so, we shall start at the year 769 by the Christian count, or the year zero by the count of the Forn Sidir; when Sigurd Ring of the Af Munsos had his famous vision, or dream if you're not of the faith from Odin.

The world from central asia westwards until the western edge of Iberia and Africa was a fractured mass of dynasties, tribes, faiths, clans and petty states that have arisen to prominence following the demise of the Roman Empire in the west and the crushing of the power of Byzantium and the Arabic conquest of the Iranian Empire. In India, the Gupta Empire which once ruled a large portion of the subcontinent was now long passed from any living memory, and even the far smaller Harsha Empire was now a thing of the past. At the time, the greatest power in the world was the Abbassid Arabic Caliphate; which stretched from Baluchistan all the way to Egypt, a mighty empire with no equals; but one who stood on a foundation of sand. In Christian Europe we saw the rise of Karl der Grobs as the Frankish King sought to claim all of what was once Gaul and Germania, even if it meant a reckoning with his brother, while a tiny band of Christians desperately hung onto the Iberian Peninsula.

At this stage of history, we shall primarily focus on the unification of Scandinavia and the expansion of the Forn Sidir faith once it was formed out of the traditions of the Norsefolk, with attention also being put on the resurgence of Iranian Zoroastrianism in their war to liberate their homeland from Arabic occupation, and the rise of the Ghanan Empire and the birth of the Akani faith as well as the affairs of western Europe. This isn't saying we will be ignoring other happenings in the world by any means, but we can hardly cover everything at once; so we will need to select our focuses and go from there. From time to time, I will bring up updates regarding other sections of the world, particularly if I get enough requests to do so.

I will be combining primary sources, historical texts, documentaries, classroom material, popular media, and more to provide both the facts and our modern perspective of the past in this exciting time before we set to the stars with the looming launch of the first faster than light ships. This should hopefully give my readers the benefit of every possible perspective as we peruse through more than twelve hundred years of history.

We start our account with Sigurd "Ring", a Petty King of Svitjod. married to his teenaged bride Alfildr and with the heir apparent of the young Ragnarr, Sigurd would go to sleep on the last day of the year 768 only to be plagued by what he would call "visions." As the Sögur would attest to he was whisked away to Valhalla itself to speak before Odin in a dream, now the following is all just me paraphrasing from my holy book so it's probably going to lose out on a lot of the poetry, but the Sögur attests to the following happening.

"The King, Queen, and the young princeling found themselves unable to pass into restful sleep as at once, all were taken into dreams took them hence to Asaheim in the halls of Odin. Brought before the great lord of Asaheim and the All-Father Odin and Queen Frigga, they stood there at the feet of the gods themselves to hear the words of the lords of the nine realms.

At first, Sirgurdr and Alfhildr stood proud, refusing to bow before the city of splendour. "I am the king of my realm, and I need to bow before no man." Sigurd said, daring to look upon those who sat and yet dwarfed them all the same.

"Have you forgotten your piety before the High King whom even you are sworn to?" Odin asked, and at once Sigurd and Alfhildr quailed, but it was their son who bent his knee before the all father knowing his place before the one eyed god was not to argue with his summons.

"What fool are you to not see what your child can not?" Frigga asked, and a great shame filled the hearts of the King and Queen, and both lay themselves upon their knees, weeping for forgiveness.

The All Father smiled upon Sigurd, and bid him to rise as the eyes of the great gods were upon him. "You are not here to weep oh king, you are here because you have a purpose."

"Why do you call upon me oh Father? I who rule the lands of Svitjod." Spoke the King, rising before Odin consulted with his ravens and then spoke in return.

"The tricks of the Jotun are many and wicked, and they have come to test the true and the strong. The lands of the Germans shall soon fall to the lies of the three headed giant, they will seek to take you away from the pure and true faith as they ever do, coming with crosses on shields and death in hand."

"You will unite the lands you call home, and from there a mighty empire can grow; an empire that will call your dynasty Fylkir. I know you will do this, and I know you will make me glad for the children of your line shall spread our word far across midgard, far beyond the lands you call home."

This caused a profound change in Sigurd, who immediately began to consort with his Godis as he dived deep into the matters of faith to see what would need to be done to keep the northlands pure from the encroaching faith of Christianity and to ensure dominance in the baltic. To be taken seriously he would need to prove that he truly was favoured by the gods by bringing all the tribes of the north together, bringing the priests under one banner, bringing the holy places under his protection, and by defeating those of lesser conviction in battle. He would need to take his scattered tribes and make a great kingdom out of them, and if he could not achieve this; his children would do so in his stead.

Now whether or not Sigurd ever actually had those visions is a matter to be discussed in a theology blog; not here. If you wish for a more wholly secular explanation, it is likely that Sigurd did suffer from some dreams, and due to the suggestibility of the human mind immediately after waking up and our own poor memory of the worlds we create while asleep; it's probable that Alfhildr and Ragnar simply accepted what he said as true. Some would point to the prophetic nature of the dreams, that Sigurd was able to know that Saxony was about to fall; as proof of this. However the definitive edition of the Sögur was not completed until the Norse had established a kingdom that would have entertained a Saxon envoy. So make of this what you will.

Though powerful by the standards of the Northlands, Sigurd would need to be the master of far more if he was to live up to the message of his visions. He was a mighty warrior to be sure, and he was noted for having a powerful way with words. His skill with managing coin or intrigue however; were sorely lacking. And though he could speak of some learning, he was far from the most knowledgeable man in the land. This meant that it was crucial for him to make the right allies, those who could help him manage the busywork of money and subterfuge or could cover that which he lacked in terms of a deeper education.

Should he sound the call for war, he could potentially expect two thousand men at arms to join his call; twice as much as his next closest contender; the petty king of Austergautland. But if he were to engage in rapid, uncontrolled conquest it was virtually certain that some would stand against him as a common foe, and as his dominion grew it would be virtually certain that those beneath him would make his rule difficult.

The other two focuses of this introduction are two others who claimed to have been commanded by heaven itself to protect their faith from the encroachment of outsiders.

Seydou, ruler of the large and powerful land of Ghana; is reported to have spoken with a powerful priest who held dominion over the sacred land of Silla who prophecized that a Ruler of Ghana would bring the world within the sight of Nyame. Now what this actually meant is quite infamously ambiguous. What counts as "bringing the world within sight of Nyame?" Does it mean to conquer the world as some have tried? Or does it mean making the Akan faith respected by the world? Does it simply mean keeping it alive in the face of Islamic encroachment?

Nevertheless, this incident was recorded in what would later be the Holy Text of the Akan faith and would inspire the Farbas of Ghana to seek to create a mighty Kingdom that would stretch across western africa. Songhai and a series of small tribal realms stood in the way of this conquest, and any expansion would have to face a reckoning with the Muslim powers to the North. Though the Arabic chronicler who recorded Seydou's life was rather unimpressed by any of Seydou's qualities, the conquest of western Africa would be a work associated with him for the rest of history.

After spending years amassing funds to prepare for his conquests; Seydou decided that he had enough money to enlist the services of some three thousand mercenaries. This army would prove to be of great use in conquering Songhay when combined with his own tribal levies, as the much smaller Kingdom could not hope to resist the onslaught of the Ghanan army and its grossly superior numbers.

The legends speak that Seydou had six soldiers for every one commanded by Songhay with most of these being his freshly hired mercenaries. This meant that the outcome of the war was essentially never in any real doubt. And Seydou, convinced of the righteousness of his conquest, would settle for nothing less than the total subsumption of Songhay into his realm. We will get to the war shortly, but a note on western Africa. If at any time it seems odd that the north African powers don't ever simply just invade to crush the rising West African peoples, it's worth noting that the Sahara desert isone of the most impassible barriers for an army.

The Roman Empire in all of its days never sought to penetrate particularly deeply into the desert, nor did Carthage or Persia. And so, despite the fantastic wealth of the region, it was deemed to be virtually impossible for a sultan or an emir in northern Africa to try and conquer a region of the world that was separated from the world's centers of wealth and power by a vast stretch of utterly unforgiving desert.

Now we come to Shekih Anushirvan of Iran. Anushirvan was stargazing one day, and found a comet passing overhead, the brilliant object streaking across the stars with a brilliance that set the astronomical community of the time aflame. But Anushirvan, a Mazdakist who believed strongly in Ohrmazd's message of charity, took it to mean something else. That he was destined to free Iran from the Arab yoke. And to do this, he planned on bringing the whole structure of the Abbasid empire crashing down around the Arabs by cutting off the head of the serpent. At once, Anushirvan's character began to change as he threw off his traditional shackles of laziness and delved into his tireless scheme with which he would cast down the Arabs and fulfill what he believed to be his destiny.

By all accounts a wise man, Anushirvan was notably pious and committed to the teachings of Zarathurstra and Mazdak and came to write of what he saw as the oppression of his homeland and the arduous test of the Zoroastrian faith imposed by the Arabs. If he could send the empire into collapse, he could have a chance to declare independence. And so he gathered all the most accomplished figures in the ways of murder and sought out all those who had something to gain from Al-Mansur's death, regardless of whether or not they were Zoroastrian. Any help in freeing the faithful of Ohrmazd from the minions of Ahriman would be appreciated; so that those who would seek to impose the will of Allah would be forever cast from the lands where Ohrmazd revealed himself.

By coincidence, the Roman Emperor Konstantinios the fifth had the same idea as did Khagan Bhagatur of Khazaria, King Oda Gosh of Abyssania and Sultan Umar of Africa, and also began to plot the death of Al-Mansur. He would not be long for the world, as the later Iranian chronicler Cyrus attested to. "Soon all the land would be plotting against the Caliph. Whether they saw him as a tyrant oppressing their faith or if they saw him as simply an obstacle to their own gain; they made plans in secret to unravel the empire of the Arabs. Ohrmazd smiled not on the Arabs as all sought their downfall, and even the fellows of their faith looked upon the Caliph's station greedily with the hopes of one day sitting upon his throne."

This rather obviously meant that the Caliph would quite soon be a dead man. To this date, to compare something to Mansur in Iran generally means to evoke the image of a vast number of people plotting against something. This can be seen in a famous political cartoon where Grand Vizier Nahid is looked at hungrily by the Iranian parliament, with the decrepit shadow of Mansur behind her as she prepared to give her speech as her faction in government was starting to fall out of favour with the general Iranian body politic. This was even used the seminal absurdist comedy film series "The Six Thousand Year Joke", a beloved classic of Iranian cinema with twelve entries and stellar production values whose first entry was released in the Zoroastrian year 2373.

In the scene, a Zoroastrian, a Byzantine, a rival claimant for the throne from within the Abbasid empire, a Khazarian, an African, and an Abyssinian assassin all bump into one another as they each hope to kill Mansur through almost impossibly elaborate schemes. Each of whom is arguing over who gets to kill the doomed Caliph before a disgruntled courtier simply slips something into the Caliph's water and kills him. This is met with the vocal disappointment of the other involved parties who dejectedly walk home as the entire palace erupts into a brawl for the throne of the Caliphate when they hear the news that the heir apparent of the Caliphate had been mauled to death by a Hippopotamus while out hunting in Egypt.

But we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves. At the moment, the Byzantine Empire declared war on Emir Hasan to strip him of his possessions in Coloneia as part of the Basileus' plans to reverse the severe territorial decline that the heirs of Rome had suffered and the Abbasid Empire was busily engaged in a war of conquest against the tiny realm of Kalat to expand its domains a little further. For the time being, Anushirvan would have to play it safe and keep his head down.


Excerpt from "Parallel Worlds" thread "How important were the visions?"; Circa 2011​

Terminal Delusions said:
A lot of the old stories talk about how the movements that would eventually birth the modern Nordarikki, Ghana, and Iran began with the right people being inspired at the right time with mystical visions and dreams and other hocus pocus or some out of this world drugs. But how important were they really to what ended up transpiring? One person with a dream can't change the world on their own after all.

volvasSong said:
And here I was hoping to get to discuss this without another one of your jabs at religion. *Siiiiiiiigh*

In any case religions don't form out of clay. There has to be people willing to believe the message that they're preaching. Had Yeshua not had his disciples or Muhammed not the tribesmen who carried his message to victory then Islam and Christianity would have been footnotes in history. Maybe not even that!

Iran already had Zoroastrians who railed against the Abbasids, Sigurd was surrounded by people willing to believe the message he was spreading and willing to fight for it, just like Seydou was. Seydou's thirteen councillors played a huge part in his campaigns and formalizing his faith and the Sögur is full of people who contributed to Sigurd's campaigns and his theology.

The events that got them moving were just sparks. The fuel was already there.

Terminal Delusions said:
Oh come on, you can't really believe that your one eyed bird watcher and his friends are any less implausible than the sky friend they have in the former dominion's core states. Or that for all we blather about how bad the dominion was, every religion's just as guilty.

Falcon of Flame said:
I'm going to warn you just once, watch your tone unless you want to get an infraction.

In any case, the fuel was there to be sure. But would it have been lit with a different spark? That's much harder to say. While there is only so much push one man can give to the wheel of history, it is a push all the same. It is quite hard to tell how history may change by removing a key figure from it, especially from movements defined heavily by their founders or resurrectors. Another Fylkir might give Forn Sidir a different character, another liberator of my own Iran might give the resurrected flame another flavour.

We just can't be very sure on these sorts of things.

Perplexephant said:
When will we see the end of "Grand Visionary" versus "Extant Motions" threads? I feel like I'm trapped in a hamster wheel repeating the same arguments at least every other week.

dragonRider said:
It could be worse, it could be more ill conceived timelines about the grand crusades or more rivet counting about this little maneuver and that little weapon.

Perplexephant said:
You're going to make me queasy, stop it please.

volvasSong said:
We really don't get enough threads based on social or cultural divergences or things like what would happen if some of the dogmas handed out by some of the holy books in the world were a little different.

dragonRider said:
Guess culture just isn't as flashy as reading and writing about big armies smacking into each other with thunder and metal. It's not like there's a shortage of large wars to delve into anyway, but there's still that layer of mistrust and misunderstanding over religious lines to this day. Old habits die hard I guess?

Falcon of Flame said:
Ugh, don't remind me. I really do wish people who try to educate people about the faiths and cultures of others all the best. There is more than a thousand years of bad blood to clear.

Author's notes​

This is my first non-alien space bats timeline but I will say straight off the bat that this is definitely a teleological timeline to a rather significant degree. That being said I'm still going to try and present an air of versimilitude as much as I can.

The general conceits of this timeline are basically: a reborn Zoroastrian Persia, and reformed paganism dominating in West Africa and in Northern/Eastern Europe. I suppose you could call it something of an Abrahamic faith screw? I wouldn't call it that but I can't exactly control you now can i? I suppose you could also accuse me of bias because I am myself a Neo-Pagan but going by this rationale would prevent pretty much every alternate timeline ever from being written for fear of ideological and religious biases showing.

Also if you subscribe to the school of thought that the triumph of Christianity and Islam or Monotheism in general was inevitable then you can avoid a long fruitless debate that will change nobody's opinions by clicking out of the thread and reading something else.

I'm probably not going to go all the way to 2200 A.D. But I am going to be covering a lot of time. I will bounce up and down the timeline as I feel is needed to flesh out things I may have only mentioned in passing before or to give some sneak peeks of what's to come ahead.

I'll be combining bullet point timelines, in universe narratives, in universe documents, out of universe overviews, in universe media and more to provide the most diverse possible set of framings for the timeline.

As to how I can possibly maintain this and my ASB timelines at the same time? It's because I'm a loser with too much time on his hands to spend on writing mediocre fanfiction. As to why I'm starting yet another writing project? This one more or less absolutely refused to leave my head and I've often tried to make something similar in many an attempted paradox interactive megacampaign. I already have a rough outline of events up until 1500 or so planned.

Lovers of Britain will probably cry and Byzantophiles will probably have quite the roller coaster ride of emotions. And because you all expect it from me; don't worry, you will all get your horrifyingly large body counts and ample provisions of human suffering and woe.

This is a project open to reader contributions, if I like something you write for this timeline enough I'll threadmark it. You're also welcome to PM or email me to collaborate if you want.

As I am not Tolkien, I'm not going to be constructing languages. Just assume translation convention is in effect for anything presented from an in universe perspective.
 
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Forgive me, but the pagan empires in the world of the Cross and the Crescent are still ASBs rather.
In order for paganism to mature before feudalism, it needs relative isolation for restructuring - otherwise it will be replaced by a more developed religion.
 
Forgive me, but the pagan empires in the world of the Cross and the Crescent are still ASBs rather.
In order for paganism to mature before feudalism, it needs relative isolation for restructuring - otherwise it will be replaced by a more developed religion.
As I said, I'm not having this debate so you can leave if this bothers you.

I'm willing to debate many things that happen here, but I explicitly don't want to bog down the thread with the "inevitable monotheism" debate because it goes nowhere, convinces no one, and serves no point.
 
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This looks very interesting, I wish we have more reformed pagan timelines on this board, but alas, it is usually considered improbable, which is a very apparent nono on AH.com.

Still this looks like an amazing concept, even if it is likely not the most probable timeline.
 
As I said, I'm not having this debate so you can leave if this bothers you.

I'm willing to debate many things that happen here, but I explicitly don't want to bog down the thread with the "inevitable monotheism" debate because it goes nowhere, convinces no one, and serves no point.
I mean... regarding reforming pagan faiths, it really depends on the faiths themselves. Nordic paganism and Zoroastrianism, which, as I understand, are your main foci in this TL, were already quite advanced in comparison to most pre-Abrahamic religions. If I understand it correctly, Zoroastrians even have scripture in the form of the Avesta, which is already a step up, while Norse mythology at least had a somewhat coherent pantheon, even if the absolute majority of their myths were only written down after the fact.

I could definitely be wrong about both, though, as I haven't researched neither Zoroastrianism nor Norse mythology enough to call myself any sort of authority.

Now, if someone were to try to reform, say, the Baltic or Slavic "faiths" (they barely even classify as religions), then that would be a whole other can of worms.
 
I mean... regarding reforming pagan faiths, it really depends on the faiths themselves. Nordic paganism and Zoroastrianism, which, as I understand, are your main foci in this TL, were already quite advanced in comparison to most pre-Abrahamic religions. If I understand it correctly, Zoroastrians even have scripture in the form of the Avesta, which is already a step up, while Norse mythology at least had a somewhat coherent pantheon, even if the absolute majority of their myths were only written down after the fact.

I could definitely be wrong about both, though, as I haven't researched neither Zoroastrianism nor Norse mythology enough to call myself any sort of authority.

Now, if someone were to try to reform, say, the Baltic or Slavic "faiths" (they barely even classify as religions), then that would be a whole other can of worms.
Well, our knowledge of the Slavic Faith is incredibly incomplete but Prince Vladimir of Kiev did try to "reform" it, creating an organized pantheon and the like. He just decided that the benefits of Orthodox Christianity outweighed the benefits of trying to organize his beliefs. Of course, the Byzantines were offering a sweet deal, including a marriage to a princess of the Empire. And as the old folk tales go, Islam lost the Russians the second they said that they wouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol in it.

Most of what we know for certain about pre-christian slavic faiths could probably fit into one book. Not even a particularly big book at that. We can (and do) reconstruct more based off of extrapolating off of folk tales and traditions that were (probably) hijacked by Christianity to make it more palatable to the locals, but we have nothing like the records we do for Hellenism and Asatruar. Further complicating matters is that like all pagan belief sets, Slavic beliefs would vary depending on the region. Tribes in Poland would have a somewhat different set of deities and somewhat altered legends from tribes in Northern Russia who would both be somewhat different from tribes in ukraine. They'd still all be lumped under "slavic" but it was hardly a unified belief set. Even in more well recorded pagan faiths like Hellenism we do see regional variances. The image of Zeus as the ultimate womanizer is born in part because our image of Zeus is something of an amalgamation of thousands of local legends and belief sets that would not necessarily be accepted by all practicioners of Greek polytheism; so we kind of have this frankenstein's monsters of myths running around our public consciousness.

Romuva is a rather special case because it survived so late. Even after the official conversion of Lithuania non-christian beliefs were practiced in secret until the 16-1700s. And of course, the baltic countries are kind of a "last in first out" as far as Christianity is concerned, with nationalistic neopagan revival movements starting up a few centuries ago before the Soviets repressed them as part of enforced atheism. You still had regional variances but Romuva is by the standards of a Pagan faith practiced by a non-literate culture; pretty well understood. We certainly know more about it than the Slavic or Celtic faiths. On the other hand, due to the pretty strict geographical constraints of pre-christian baltic culture versus the very widespread influence of Slavic, Germanic, and Celtic culture or the legacy that Hellenic and Latinic culture left us; Baltic religion is very obscure to anyone who's not either from or interested in the region anyway.

That being said, I do agree that out of the pre-christian cultures east of the Elbe; Scandinavia would be the best bet for the birthplace of a serious rival for christianity. The Norse have a sophisticated maritime culture and wide ranging trade networks and their geographical positioning gives them good access to much of eastern Europe as well as the British isles and the Americas. Meanwhile the Slavs as far as we know have much poorer sailing traditions and in our timeline (probably) ended up in large part coming under the dominion of Kings and Chiefs from Scandinavia looking for lands to conquer. If you believe in the Viking Rus theory anyway, which I myself do as it seems to fit the evidence we know of the area though admittedly what we know of Pre-Christian Russia is very sketchy and largely comes from other people.

As for Zoroastrianism, the Persians were never the happiest conquest of the Arabs. Even when they eventually accepted Islam they still sought to demonstrate their superior cultural refinement to the Arabs. By 769 the majority of Iranians you'd meet would still be holding to Zoroastrian beliefs. And there were certainly a number of rebellions against Arab rule in Persia, the issue was really a matter of coordination and throwing off the Arabs at the peak of their success. However the Abbasid caliphate may be very large, but it has a lot of stress points. A major succession crisis coupled with say; a bungled invasion of India and some opportunely timed plagues or crop failures can provide the right pushes needed to let Iran break free via a large revolt.

I will admit that Ghana in no small part is based on author appeal and my own desire for more timelines where an African native country can not only survive like the Kingdom/Empire of Ethiopia but even be a major power on the world stage. I suppose this is born out of my wish for more long timelines that see the world's major players be something besides the usual cast of Christian European or Christian European descended countries, a token Islamic Empire (bonus points if it's the sick man of the great powers), and maybe China and Japan. Including Ghana also gives me an excuse to do more research into that part of the world and brush up on African history in general, which I may as well do before I leave the continent for Australia for however long I stay there before my inevitable return to Europe.
 
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Romuva is a rather special case because it survived so late. Even after the official conversion of Lithuania non-christian beliefs were practiced in secret until the 16-1700s. And of course, the baltic countries are kind of a "last in first out" as far as Christianity is concerned, with nationalistic neopagan revival movements starting up a few centuries ago before the Soviets repressed them as part of enforced atheism. You still had regional variances but Romuva is by the standards of a Pagan faith practiced by a non-literate culture; pretty well understood. We certainly know more about it than the Slavic or Celtic faiths. On the other hand, due to the pretty strict geographical constraints of pre-christian baltic culture versus the very widespread influence of Slavic, Germanic, and Celtic culture or the legacy that Hellenic and Latinic culture left us; Baltic religion is very obscure to anyone who's not either from or interested in the region anyway.
Just a FYI, but "Romuva" is not the name of the pre-Christian Baltic faith, it is a name used by a neo-pagan movement who appropriated the name of a (likely made up) Baltic holy site in Sambia. Calling Baltic paganism "Romuva" would be like calling Germanic paganism "Asatru". :)
 
Just a FYI, but "Romuva" is not the name of the pre-Christian Baltic faith, it is a name used by a neo-pagan movement who appropriated the name of a (likely made up) Baltic holy site in Sambia. Calling Baltic paganism "Romuva" would be like calling Germanic paganism "Asatru". :)
I'm aware, it's a bit of a force of habit because I often use the terms as short hands in verbal conversation. I suppose it's a bit silly to use shorthands when typing on a computer though.
 
Soooo obvious that the inspiration comes from CK2... :p

By 769 the majority of Iranians you'd meet would still be holding to Zoroastrian beliefs. And there were certainly a number of rebellions against Arab rule in Persia, the issue was really a matter of coordination and throwing off the Arabs at the peak of their success.
But in the 760s a full fifth of Iranians would already be Muslim, and conversion is starting to reach the steep curve of the logistic model; just fifty years later the majority of Persia would be Muslim or very nearly so, and by the mid-9th century, as the Iranian Intermezzo begins to kick off, Islam was definitely the majority faith by a significant margin. See Bulliet's graph:
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Also, peasant "Zoroastrianism"--which survived Islamization to a very substantial degree--was very, very different from the State Zoroastrianism of the Sasanians and their high priests. To have a proper understanding of the former, which is what a Zoroastrian revival in Persia would be relying on, you really need to read a book titled The Nativist Prophets of Early Islamic Iran: Rural Revolt and Local Zoroastrianism by Patricia Crone.
 
Soooo obvious that the inspiration comes from CK2... :p


But in the 760s a full fifth of Iranians would already be Muslim, and conversion is starting to reach the steep curve of the logistic model; just fifty years later the majority of Persia would be Muslim or very nearly so, and by the mid-9th century, as the Iranian Intermezzo begins to kick off, Islam was definitely the majority faith by a significant margin. See Bulliet's graph:
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Also, peasant "Zoroastrianism"--which survived Islamization to a very substantial degree--was very, very different from the State Zoroastrianism of the Sasanians and their high priests. To have a proper understanding of the former, which is what a Zoroastrian revival in Persia would be relying on, you really need to read a book titled The Nativist Prophets of Early Islamic Iran: Rural Revolt and Local Zoroastrianism by Patricia Crone.
I'm aware of the disconnect between what the peasants and what the nobles practiced. It's why the faith of the rebels isn't exactly going to be like the faith of the old empires. They'll certainly try to wear the clothes of the Sassanids, Parthians, and Achamaenids and speak of their legacy but the new Persia will be its own creature.

There's some hints of Mazdakism (more in the spirit of it than the letter, rather more populistic than what the three Zoroastrian Persian empires practiced) in what the rebel leaders preach, and there's a strong element of "we are struggling together" vis a vis the peasants, nobles, and priests who take part in the rebellion. Thank you for the book recommendation though, although at a hundred and thirteen dollars I'll probably have to save a bit before getting it.

The revolt's success does hinge to a significant degree on some misfortunes suffered by the Abbasids though, and it will not be a problem free administration. Not only is there the question of what to do with the muslims now living in an Empire that has more than its share of kneejerk paranoia regarding Islam but there's nomads to the north who need to be pacified, the Byzantines would love nothing more than to take advantage of any weakness of their enemies to the east and there are certain consequences for Islam's advance into India being much less successful than OTL. And of course there's the issues to be resolved between the factions of rebels.

Also Zunbil Afghanistan is a meme that deserves some attention even if what is known about it is roughly 90% Dark Souls jokes and 10% actual information. Even if said attention is mostly "and then they were conquered by Iran."

Also I don't try to hide my influences. :p Never have, never will. I wear my inspiration on my sleeve because I am garbage and came from garbage, and as I came from garbage so shall I return to the garbage.
 
To Build an Empire - Wars in Scandinavia and Africa
Excerpt from the Blog "History's Mysteries". Circa 2200 A.D

Sigurd's invasion of Austergautland was swift and effective. Moving with the advice of spies who told him that most of his enemy's armies would be concentrated in Tijust while his reinforcements would be attempting to consolidate to the south, Sigurd struck at the outnumbered Austergautland army with a force of two thousand men that marched at such a speed that his Austergautlander foe; King Hojvardr was caught off guard and his outnumbered army shattered, with Hojvardr fleeing from battle in disgrace upon seeing that he was outnumbered and leaving the Boy chief Hogne to direct his armies when he arrived with Hojvardr's captain and what were intended to be reinforcements. Hogne was brave and witty for a twelve year old who had simply come to watch the battle, but he was sorely outmatched in numbers and preparation. As the Sögur attests to (once again paraphrased and not literally translated, and due to the loss of the poetic nature of the Sögur when translated; I've decided to put it into standard prose)

"The warriors of the chosen moved swiftly with the blessings of Hermod, slashing through tree and rivers to fall upon their foe. The cry of brave warriors and shield maidens rang as arrows fell on the fields like rain."

"Wise King Sigurd sent forth his Javelins, and let the foe give chase, setting forth his cunning trap into the trees where his warriors lay in wait."

"A storm of arrows fell upon the warriors of Austergautland, when a bolt of winter's thunder struck down one of the captains of the foe; a Christman who had the ear of the foeking Hjorvardr. With the favour of Thor behind them, Sigurdr pushed as the foeking's armies were now beset by the shield maidens and huscarls he had in hiding, and fierce berserkers fell upon their side."

"Like a rotten shield, Hjorvardr's armies were splintered and fell in their hundreds, the axes of the wise King hewing them like wood. The Foeking's army broke, the fight out of them and the day won for the chosen of Asaheim."

"Yet over the hills came warriors from Hjorvardr's servant tribes under the banner of the boy-chief Hogne the Brave, son of Hjorvardr. Cursing the cowardice of their brothers the child chief of the servant tribes brought shame unto his father's heart. Challenged by his son, the Austergautland King faced battle once again. Giving new spirit to the defeated warriors to fight the already lost battle and bid them to charge the men and women of good king Sigurd so that they may go to Valhalla in glory."

"But even this rally was doomed, and even Hogne could not rally all the hearts of the defeated army of Austergautland. They fled to Oland, seeking to lick their wounds there as Sigurd allowed his soldiers their deserved plunder."

"But even there they were hounded, for the wise King sought nothing less than total conquest to fulfill his sacred task."

"This too, ended in glorious defeat for Austergautland as the strength, will, and favour of Asaheim of Svitjod brought it to victory once more. All that remained were scattered battles against scattered bands lead by Hojvardr to restore his honour, but soon he laid down his arms."

"A swift, glorious victory had been won and the lands of Sigurdr grew and the Gods smiled on the chosen. "

Hojvardr would be reduced from a king to another vassal of Sigurdr, but Hogne would be given honours, respected for choosing to fight where Hojvardr would not. He would be allowed to keep all his lands and be given a place among the chiefs beneath Sigurdr as the Af Munso King gloried in his victory over the East Keatish. With a swift war; he had doubled the size of his realm. However, the expansion of Jylland concerned him. Jylland's chiefs had started to expand into the islands of what is now Danemark. They too sought to expand their realm and would likely soon start to encroach onto the Peninsula itself. The petty King of Jylland proclaimed Sigurd to be a false man, daring him to challenge him and prove that he was truly favoured by the gods. However the time was not yet right.

Just as Sigurd had attained military glory for his Kingdom, his Jyllandish counterpart had also greatly increased the size of his domain with a swift conquest and his armies were enriched by the new lands they held. To truly outmatch his Danish counterpart, Sigurdr would have to quickly grow his dominion by conquering other weak realms before the Danish King could forge a powerful realm out of Danemark. He would have to turn his eye northwards, and sooner than he'd like to recoup from the losses he had suffered in his previous conquest. The Northern lands were certainly less wealthy, more sparse in their population and there was much conflict with the Lapplanders who lived even further North and herded their reindeer in that Tundra.

He was well aware that sooner or later, there could only be one King in the North, but the Sögurs speak of his deliberations; worrying about a premature conflict with the powerful Danish in his plans to expand across Scandinavia. These were cut short when Hogne, tiring of the bickering in the Althing, stood up and said "Am I a man surrounded by boys!? The thunderer does not pick cowards! Go and conquer the north then show the Danes who is strong!"

The choice was now clear, the Swedish would go north and conquer all the Norse realms there and bring them under heel so that a reckoning could be had with the Danes with the strength of all their realms combined.

Thousands of kilometers to the south, Seydou had launched an invasion of Songhay with an army that some chronicles boast of being more than a hundred thousand strong, having amassed additional troops for an irresistable attack force that would crush its way into Songhay to overwhelm any possible defense. Many of these soldiers were simply bandits he pressed into military service with the promise of coin, but serve they did. The first battle of the war was simply a massacre, the army of Zakoi amassed on a field, only for their scouts to report that a force that numbered more than six times greater than they did was marching towards them.

Zakoi was reported to have "despaired as his army was smashed like a child's sand sculptures before a great wave" that smashed into his forces and simply continued to push forward as they slammed into his army and wrapped around it, like water wrapping around a rock as it flows. With such poor odds, Zakoi's army broke and fled and was relentlessly pursued deep into Songhay. No rest was afforded to their army as the Ghanans split off two thousand warriors to pursue the Songhay army to the borders of the Sahara desert. The battered survivors of Zakoi's army, now diminished toa fourth of their strength, were pursued to Tadmekka from Gao and were swiftly overwhelmed.

The battle of Tadmekka was over quickly, as most of the survivors surrendered as soon as it was clear that they would not be escaping from the cavalry of Seydou's army. The rest of the Ghanan army in the mean time, were busily besieging Gao. The huge army swiftly battered down the defenses of Gao and demanded that Fabras Zakoi be brought to them, but they soon found that he had fled farther to the south, prompting a large manhunt for the Fabras of Songhai as the huge Ghanan army pushed farther south to hunt him down. They had no intention to kill him after all, in the future Mansa of Mali's words

"A dead man cannot surrender. Bring him alive to me so that he may swear his loyalty to me, so that I may build a kingdom worthy of Nyame and Asase Ye with his aid. You will not slay him, you will not despoil his lands, for I will not rule an ash heap."

Seydou caught his enemies in Zarma as his huge armies poured into the region, and after a quick siege, surprised many by offering a great deal of clemency to those he had vanquished, allowing Zakoi to continue to rule all of his old lands; as long as he did so in his name and recognized him as his King. This move apparently surprised the Arabic chronicler who followed Seydou around, who wrote glowingly of his mercy "He acted like he truly knew the mercy of Allah despite his fiercely heathen ways." And at the end of it all, Seydou stood upon a vast realm and held a lavish coronation ceremony as he declared himself King of his lands.

"With the Gold and the Salt of the land now firmly under his control, Seydou had created the foundations of an empire. He ruled over millions of subjects and was seen as favoured by many of the priests in his land who looked forward to future wars of expansion to bring all those who rejected the encroachment of the Muslims to the north under one crown. But Seydou was not satisfied, he hoped to bring his Kingdom farther to the north so as to prove once and for all that he had Nyame's blessing to bring all the world under the sight of him and finally unify the faiths of western Africa under one religion. For he had seen the benefits of organized religion that the Muslims enjoyed, and desired them for his own people though he would not countenance the idea of bowing to a religion from the Muslims or the Christians; but wise to the brevity of life, he made sure that his own family would be educated in ensuring the continuity of his plans for the world." Wrote Baba Anang, a famed historian from prior centuries on what many in modern west Africa see as the first great ruler of the region.

Excerpt from Ghanan Documentary Film "Sands of Time", circa 1951 (Urbanite Calendar)

TITLE CARD: Why does Akan matter?

EXT. SCENE TRANSITION: DISSOLVE FROM MODERN CITY TO MEDIEVAL CITY

INTRODUCE: ANIMATED CITIZENRY

NARRATOR

This is Ghana, almost twelve hundred years ago. We have come far have we not? But to forget our origins would be the act of a fool. Our nation's origins are interconnected with the development of Akanism, formalized by Seydou, and our history is inexorably tied with the history of our dominant religion. In these times, we were a rich land, with treasures built on the exchange of Gold and Salt. But throughout time this wealth was always passed to whomever ruled North Africa.

CARD SEQUENCE: DEPICT "CARTHAGE" WITH CARTHAGINIAN SOLDIER, DEPICT "ROME" WITH ROMAN LEGIONARY, DEPICT "VANDAL" WITH VANDAL WARRIOR, DEPICT "CONSTANTINOPLE" WITH BYZANTINE CATAPHRACT, DEPICT "ARABIA" WITH BEDOUIN HORSEMAN

NARRATOR

These people have long done business with the intent of enriching themselves. But in time these outsiders started to come seeking to bring more.

ENTER: ANIMATED CARICATURE OF PRIESTS AND IMAMS ENCROACHING ON GHANAN CITY ALONGSIDE MERCHANTS

NARRATOR

They sought to beholden us to foreign beliefs. Some may have come with the best of intentions, but the end result would have been the same; our chiefs would be spiritually bound to foreign authority.

ANIMATIC: SPREAD OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM

INDICATE: ROME, CONSTANTINOPLE, MEDINA, MECCA

NARRATOR

Even in the most secular of states, religion is difficult at the best of times to separate from politics and in this era; religion was politics. For Ghana to be independent, we would need our own faith just as much as we needed access to the coasts to ensure greater control over our trade.

ENTER: GHANAN WARRIORS CHASING OUT THE PRIESTS

DEPICT: BRAWL THAT KICKS UP A CLOUD, OBSCURING THE VIOLENCE

NARRATOR

And often the price for this independence would be conflict with those who would wish to see us heel to their causes instead of treating us as equals in the courts of kings and emperors. The sad business of war is an all too common extension of the politics of courts and nations and thus of religion. When reason and understanding to solve conflict is refused, there is often little resort but violence. And when one is dealing with those who seek conversion, reason and understanding is the first casualty as it always is when the choice is "submit or die". Something that our enemies have cast to the winds now.
 
As a note, I am going to start reviewing later years in less detail unless they're really dense in momentous occurances pretty soon. If I feel that there's something that I can do to expand a prior era I'll bounce back to add to that era, probably building on any events I mention in passing. This is intended to prevent the timeline from getting bogged down in minutae or grinding to a halt.
 
What's this? Visions? 769? STRONK! pagans? Red Star, perhaps you've been playing a little too much Crusader Kings! I hope this doesn't get too ASB.


Who are the "urbanites" in this context?
It's roughly equivalent to the Gregorian Calendar, it's just that the Pope who passed it was called Urban, not Gregor.

As for visions, most every religion's stories are filled with events impossible under the laws of physics. Whether or not you believe them is a matter of faith.

I want to avoid being disrespectful of any religious beliefs so I'm not really going to go out of my way to say that the supernatural things noted in excerpts of in universe religious text or religious lore are faker than a reality TV star's tan.
 
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