Good King George - A Republican Britain and a Monarchist America
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Things in India are going to be.. different. Though Remember, republican France left monarchies intact in Indochina, so don't expect Britain to go full abolition empire wide
Damned auto-correct. Fixed!
So, are these people Monarchs of Hannover only, or also of the United Provinces.
Because the use of the name Edward seems to baffle me for a German royal house in the middle of Germany.
And it's not the same as a German royal house in England using that name...
Just Hanover, finishing up the United Provinces because I have something big planned for that.
As for the Edward thing.
As a result of Edward I, who did a lot to maintain the newly liberal Hanover, it became a very popular name in the Kingdom. And just sort of... stuck after Victoria named her eldest for her father, who since he lived she was rather close with.
On the topic of Nixon, I do have a dumb idea based on an infobox I made back in the summer.
Basically, during the Prince of Wales's visit to the White House, Richard Nixon really tried to set him up with his daughter Tricia Nixon. Now clearly this went nowhere, but it gave me an idea for something like that to actually happen ITTL. Clearly the American royal family is different from the OTL British royal family who are in Hanover, and I'm sure that a royal genealogy's already been decided, but it could be interesting to have the Nixons or even some other prominent PM's family marry into the Royal Family based on this historical tidbit.
I think that should be left up to @Lewie , seeing as that's a pretty major element and it's his project.
Tricia can marry a member from one of America’s royal dukedoms.
True. I just meant I would suggest it as part of my draft suggestion.
By the powers of alternate history, could you make Princess Amelia live longer, should she also happen to exist ittl?
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Princess Amelia of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
I don't think this has been addressed, but does George III still suffer from madness in his later years, or is that averted due to the other changes that have occurred?Good King George
George III (George William Frederick; 4 June 1738 – 29 January 1820) was the first King of the United Provinces of America reigning from 12 October 1784 to 29 January 1820, and the final monarch of Great Britain and Ireland from 25 October 1760 to 12 October 1784. He was concurrently Duke and Prince-elector of Brunswick-Lüneburg ("Hanover") until 1784 when he abdicated in favour of his son, William, having never visited the country. Known as Good King George in America and George the Tyrant in the British Isles, he remains the most controversial monarch in British History.
George's life and early reign were marked by a series of military conflicts involving his kingdoms, much of the rest of Europe, and places farther afield in Africa, the Americas and Asia. Early in his reign, Great Britain defeated France in the Seven Years' War, becoming the dominant European power in North America and India. Despite these upheavals abroad, domestically during much of this time, the King behaved as was expected of a constitutional monarch of the time. However, this would change drastically beginning in the 1760s when he began to insert himself into colonial policy towards America. George, who had displayed traits of quiet absolutism in his youth and afterwards, had developed a deep sympathy for the American position after coming into contact with Benjamin Franklin, and by the 1760s his court was "The Most American Place in London" as these connections furthered. His efforts to delay or alter acts in line with American concerns peaked with his refusal to grant royal ascent to the Massachusetts Government Act, which he regarded as tyrannical, and in opposition to the "Rights of Englishmen" These actions would eventually trigger the First British Civil War, as the Whig Party moved to remove a King they believed was overstepping his position. After a failed attempt to arrest him and place his elder son on the throne the King, who viewed these efforts as nothing short of treason, would respond by ordering the arrest of the coup plotters, Parliament would denounce this, and over the next several weeks both sides manoeuvred for control of the capital. The first true battle of the war would be the skirmish at Hyde Park, with matters only escalating from there.
In 1779, George was forced to flee to America, after the fall of London to Parliamentary forces. Arriving in the colonies, he would oversee the defeat of Parlimarety forces in America, the appointment of the American negotiators for the Peace of London, and afterwards the establishment of a new nation. Named King of the United Provinces by the Continental Congress in 1784, he would create the office of Prime Minister of the United Provinces in 1788, call the election of the first American Parliament, order the construction of a new capital on the banks of the Potomac River, spearheaded the formation of a standing American Army, and the reconstruction of the Royal Navy. When George III died in 1820, the Prince of Wales and the Appalachians succeeded him as King George IV.
A controversial figure in his own time, and into the modern era, he remains both landed and reviled for his actions, the extent to which the Civil War can be claimed on him remains a debated question.
Yes. Perhaps married to the heir of Duke of Mount Vernon - John Thornton Augustine WashingtonBy the powers of alternate history, could you make Princess Amelia live longer, should she also happen to exist ittl?
Princess Amelia of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
John Thornton Augustine Washington - Wikipedia
This would help to make the House of Washington second only to the House of Hanover in distinction in America.
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Because the Crown is the final guarantor of the people's liberties, is the court system:
a. District courts, appellate courts, supreme court, the Crown
b. District courts, appellate courts, supreme court of which the Monarch is similar to Chief Justice
c. District courts, appellate courts, the Crown
d. or the Crown just doesn't give assent to laws which violate such rights
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Yes. Perhaps married to the heir of Duke of Mount Vernon - John Thornton Augustine Washington
John Thornton Augustine Washington - Wikipedia
This would help to make the House of Washington second only to the House of Hanover in distinction in America.
Something on Nixon is coming up soon, and his long term in office. I've read that to! Always thought it was funny!
I was tempted to have Trica Nixon marry George, Prince of Hanover and son of Empress Elizabeth, having met during one of the many summits Elizabeth held between the houses of Hanover during Nixon's time as Prime Minister. But it's something I'm mulling over. That or she marry's into an American Dukedom. Nixon himself gets, rather controversially, created a Duke by Bush, a move that results in the same honour being granted to Castro. They remain the most recent non-Royal Dukedom's.
Owertius and I have discussed the idea of Prince Fredrick, marrying Abigail "Nabby" Adams after Adams is made a Duke, to secure Northern support, and their line becoming the Monarchs of the United Provinces after Fredrick takes the throne. I'd love some suggestions on that! Though I do quite like that Washington idea!
By the powers of alternate history, could you make Princess Amelia live longer, should she also happen to exist ittl?
Princess Amelia of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
I am tempted to have her live longer, and end up being quite the mover in the social scene of the Provinces. We'll see. I'm finishing up plans for all of Geroge's children.
His madness is largely averted. Though he goes through some mental struggles due to... well the events that happen to him, he's in far better condition as he reaches the end of his life. I lean toward the arsenic theory. And here he's never placed into as much contact with it. He does suffer from dementia near the end though. Something kept hidden from the public eye.
Thanks! Maybe I should do a box on pop culture!
I'm in the process of designing the Justice system now, but it's something of a mix of A and B. The King retains the right to intercede on these matters but has done so rarely since the mid-20th century.
Damn! Sorry! Fixed it!
I may do something on Barons created in 2022!
The Church of America
The Church of America
"I will tolerate the retention of the Church, but toleration is as far as that will extend."
Sir Thomas Jefferson - 1789
The Church of America (C of A) is the established Christian Church of the United Provinces of America. It is a mainline Protestant denomination and by far the nation's most prominent and largest faith, with 144 million baptized members, constituting more than a third of the American population. It is divided into forty provinces, each headed by an Archbishop. Members are referred to as Anglicans. "I will tolerate the retention of the Church, but toleration is as far as that will extend."
Sir Thomas Jefferson - 1789
The Church was organized after the First British Civil War when it became separate from the Church of England; during the war, the clergy were split between their oath of allegiance to the British Monarch as Supreme Governor of the Church of England and support for Parliament. An estimated tenth of Church of England officials joined the loyalists in their flight to America. However, the actual number may be far higher, with many retiring, before joining the Church of America after migrating to the United Provinces after the Peace of London. These men and existing Church leaders in America worked with King George III to form a new clerical hierarchy in the Provinces. It was made the Established faith at the King's demand during the Constitution's authoring. It was a point of great contention, as many American-born Founders outright opposed the idea of a state religion. As a compromise, the Freedom of Religion Clause was added to the document, meaning that while the Anglican faith would hold a special status, the free practice of religion was to be permitted, and there would be no requirement for any Christian minister to submit to the authority of the Church. This left the Church of America as a far weaker institution than the Church of England had been, and proved to be a source of lingering resentment for George III who believed he had betrayed his oath in legally enshrining full religious pluralism. The Church describes itself as "Protestant, yet Catholic" and claims apostolic succession, tracing its bishops back to the apostles via holy orders. Before the Great Ecclesiastical Treaty of 1978, the churches of America and England claimed authority over each other as the true successor to the pre-civil war faith. Many, however, rejected this and it remains nicknamed the "True Anglican Church" among much of the American peerage. In 1990, the Church granted independence to the Churches of the Philippines, Liberia, and Patagonia, all of which retained the Monarch as their supreme governor.
The American Monarch (currently Victoria) is the supreme governor, and the archbishop of New Canterbury (currently Micheal Curry) is the most senior cleric. The governing structure of the Church is based on provinces, each presided over by an archbishop, and below that are dioceses, headed by a bishop. And within each diocese are local parishes. The General Synod of the Church of America is the legislative body for the Church and comprises archbishops, bishops, other clergy and laity. The reigning Monarch opens its yearly summits. Its measures must be approved by the Parliament of the United Provinces.
In the modern era, there is growing controversy about the place of the Church in American life. According to polling in 2022, 31% of Americans support disestablishmentarianism, and the issue has re-entered the public debate due to the Labour Party adopting it as an official policy in 2021. In contrast to traditional advocates of disestablishment, Labour supports the Church becoming a National Church in recognition of its crucial role in the nation's history but to remove it entirely from the structure of the state.
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