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Down on the Ayrshire coast (1 mile inland, 300 feet up the hill from a river valley) we rarely if ever see snow. Go ten miles further up the valley and they get snowed in a few times a year.
Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.
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Down on the Ayrshire coast (1 mile inland, 300 feet up the hill from a river valley) we rarely if ever see snow. Go ten miles further up the valley and they get snowed in a few times a year.
A few years ago I was in the final stages for planning a trip to probably Narvik by car from the north of England in late February to see the Northern Lights.
One of the things that struck me was the surprisingly small amount of snow on the Norwegian coast compared to what you would expect given some of the latitudes involved. The result is again the gulf stream. Head inland a couple of miles though and the picture was very different.
Unfortunately the trip never happened but i do hope to do it some day.
One of the things that struck me was the surprisingly small amount of snow on the Norwegian coast compared to what you would expect given some of the latitudes involved. The result is again the gulf stream. Head inland a couple of miles though and the picture was very different.
Unfortunately the trip never happened but i do hope to do it some day.
When I lived in Gourock we used to see snow every year, but that was only because the mountains of Argyle were visible across the Clyde. 😋
We only actually got snow on the ground every decade or so.
Well, I think they're going to keep sending a decent portion of Valiant production, (just like with the Valentine IOTL) but the Victor is probably going to be kept for British/Commonwealth use until the end of the war; they're going to want to replace all the Valiants with them and additionally will have to make up losses once the invasion starts. Especially since the Victor is designated as an infantry tank; which means the Army tank brigades will want to have them too.
We'll probably see a higher proportion of Shermans going to the USSR, though; the British aren't going to need them so much since they have their own comparable/superior tank that will be in mass production with the Victor, unlike IOTL with the Cromwell. Vickers and co. are a lot more experienced and have a much better mindset with tank production than Leyland/Nuffield, along with better government support and much better reputation compared to IOTL. Might see more Universal Carriers going to the Soviets too, as the new Vickers armored personnel carrier enters service displacing much of the need for Carriers. (Wonder if/when troops start mounting 20mm Hispano-Suizas on them to make a proto-IFV)
Especially when combined with a lazy wind that rather than go around you goes straight through you.
Ramp-Rat
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Will Winston continue to supply the Soviets with resources at the expense of the British forces in the future, yes of course he is. Winston is both a historian and a cynical old Tory, which means that he knows of Britain’s historical way of fighting war, and couldn’t care less about the casualties that the Soviets and Germans will suffer fighting each other. As long as Adolf is stuck fighting Joe, he doesn’t have the resources available to fight or invade Britain, nor can he spare the aircraft to carry out a sustained bombing campaign. Britain fights its wars by paying others to take the casualties were possible, as it did against Napoleon, were it subsidised Tzar Nicholas to fight. And it’s not just Winston, Attlee too along with a number of his signor Labour members are equally relived to see the Soviets taking the majority of the strain. Remember Attlee was among a number of signor Labour Party members, who were definitely not Stalin fan boys, or no matter what various American Republicans think, Communists or Bolsheviks. He too was pleased to see the Soviets and the Germans fighting each other, and suffering casualties that avoided his British workers having to suffer to defeat Naziesm. Remember Winston was always looking over his shoulder at the British centre right and the left, who supported sending resources to Russia for various reasons. And at the major Stalin fan boy FDR, who thought that he had a very special understanding with Joe, and that between them they could right all the worlds wrongs. Winston knew that if Britain was going to ‘win’ the war, it needed American financial and material aid, and therefore he had to keep FDR sweet. Another thing to consider is not what aid the British suppled to Russia, it’s what they didn’t that counts. Britain didn’t provide the Soviets with Nuclear technology, jet engine technology, advanced radar technology, sonar technology, or anything to do with chemical weapons. All of which it shared with the Americans, along with the majority of its code breaking experience, and intelligence gathering. Britain shared wireless/radio intercept facilities with the Americans, and provided intercept stations on British/Imperial territory to the Americans.
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That was Sir Stafford Cripps rather than lend-lease, and at the risk of splitting hairs, was after the war.
But still, a remarkably stupid thing to do
Here's hoping with a better outcome Britain won't be so close to bankruptcy they'd be willing to make that sale.
The alternative of Britain abandoning Imperial pretentions of being the 'third pillar' of the post-war world would require a FAR different set of events.
Britain is already far better off than OTL, and that's only going to get more accentuated as time goes by.
Better militarily, but I'm not if that's going to translate to post-war economics. The Commonwealth is still paying out the nose for its gains and I fear it's only going to ensure TTL's Parliament goes the way of OTL's and tries to be the 'third pillar' to the US and Soviets instead of taking the temporary hit to national prestige like France did and get its feet back under itself before trying to forge its own way in the Cold War.
Losing the Malay tin and rubber was a huge economic hit OTL that looks likely to be at least partially avoided TTL. That alone will have overall British borrowing at least 10% lower.
Plus with good tanks of their own, they're not requiring nearly as much Lend-Lease. And tanks aren't a small value, the Britsh spent $240 Million on M3 mediums.
Regardless of how much better the British Empire does in this TL WW2 is still a huge disaster as far as it is concerned
It will still be pretty much bankrupt with much of its industry and manpower derailed for the war effort in the total war approach that it took as well as damage from Air attacks etc - not to mention dead and wounded to its population.
And it will still take many decades to pay back war loans etc even if they are much lower than OTL
The British of this TL will have no idea how lucky they are compared to the British of TTL
It will still be pretty much bankrupt with much of its industry and manpower derailed for the war effort in the total war approach that it took as well as damage from Air attacks etc - not to mention dead and wounded to its population.
And it will still take many decades to pay back war loans etc even if they are much lower than OTL
The British of this TL will have no idea how lucky they are compared to the British of TTL
Derek Pullem
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The Empire post WW1 thought it was close to bankrupt - if they get out of WW2 in the same state as they did leaving WW1 it will be a huge improvement compared to post WW2 OTL.
Which has political implications for the UK - no Labour landslide in 1945? No NHS? No education reform? No social insurance reform?
Managing to hold Malaya will allow the British to supply tin and rubber to the USA, which will help reduce the debt they accrue.
Mark1878
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I think the last few will still occur. There has been a Conservative government for most of the last 20 years. They got the UK into depression and war - there will be a wanting of change.
Education Act was 1944 so reform will happen.
allanpcameron
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The way in which Churchill's wartime coalition government worked actually gave the Labour Party great traction for the end of the war. The Labour Party was able to point to a lot of achievements they had achieved while in coalition. Part of their work in the lead up to the General Election was 'imagine what we could do in power'. So, the Beveridge Report and other things will still happen TTL. Yes, here, by the end of 1941 the situation for the British isn't nearly as bad as it was at the end of 1941 in OTL. But there's a lot of war still to go, and the butterflies still have a lot of flapping to do.
Allan