Geronimo : What if Osama Bin Laden was killed prior to 9/11?

With Osama bin Laden and several of the higher up member of Al Qaeda getting killed in '98, the terrorist group was likely weakened and its members scattered. Without bin Laden, they probably don't have the resources or strategy to pull off as many 9/11 / 9/4 style plane terrorist attacks.

As for an earlier Arab Spring, I guess it's possible. I don't see Saddam Hussein being in power of Iraq for much longer. I do wonder what could happen if the Arab Spring starts four years earlier.
With Al Qaeda weakened and besides the Middle East the world is pretty much doing great TTL’s early 2000s which is affecting my TTL’s counterpart being part of the generation that got to see an extended decade since the collapse of the USSR but 2008 is going to be a make or break year. If President Edwards manages to pull off a soft landing of the economy leading to a housing deflation and a more milder recession reminiscent of the early 90s leading to a much more diffrent 2010s. If he fails then TTL would begin to some what converge starting to resembling OTL with a few differences here and there but would face the same issues like stagnant wages, skyrocketing cost of living, tough job market for jobs that pay a living wage and inequality.
 
Good update! Interesting to see China and Russia not opposing Kosovo independence like OTL. Is it just bc they have better relations with the west than OTL?

IMO the Serbia-Montenegro union won't last long, Kosovo becoming independent will embolden Montenegrin secessionists, as well as Serbian nationalists. I feel like it probably breaks apart in 2009; I remember that Montenegro is allowed to have a repeat referendum then.
As an Albanian from Kosovo myself, i highly doubt Russia and China will support Kosovo's independence regardless even if 9/11 never happens but happens in Russia instead, Putin strongly opposed Kosovo's independence in OTL.
 
Part LXXVII

The Black Eagle


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Map of Serbia-Montenegro, with claimed Kosovo highlighted in Orange
The fields of southern Europe were awash with graveyards, the result of the many wars of the 20th century. The nationalist fury of the Balkans seemed unquenchable for generations, wars of autonomy, anti-colonialism, religion, race, and language. Combined with the ideologies of fascism, communism and everything in between. It’s no mistake that the region earned its title as the “powder keg of Europe” but by the early years of the 21st century, its powder seemed spent.

The final collapse of Yugoslavia was sealed with the overthrow of Serbian autocrat Slobodan Milosovic, broken and reformed into the ‘State-Union of Serbia-Montenegro’, the final peace treaties between the successor states drawn up and implemented, though the deep history and the engrained memories of brutal, genocidal conflict couldn’t be mutually forgiven, as the war crimes tribunals revealed the depths of the human depravity, they could be mutually ended “A mother dies, but her sons live on” Was the way that Steven Mirkovic a Yugoslav army chief chose to describe his emotional state, upon the nations final dissolution, a fairly nostalgic take on the collapse of Yugoslavia. But of the many scars left over from the conflict that had not yet healed over, the largest was Kosovo.

Its breakaway in 1992 precipitated a guerrilla and eventually an open war between the Yugoslav and ethnic Serbian authorities, and the ethnic Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army, years of failed international pressure and ineffective ceasefire agreements, ended in the 1999 NATO bombing campaign that forced Milosevic’s withdrawal, and in Serbia's place a transitionary government was installed, UNMIK the United Nations Mission in Kosovo.

Backed by NATO forces to police inter-ethnic violence between Serbian and Albanian Kosovans and help oversee the establishment of self-governing institutions, until a final status agreement could be negotiated.

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(left to right) Map of violent incidents in Kosovo, Milosevic mourners, Spanish NATO forces in Kosovo

It proved a tough needle to thread, though the interim government was successful in building a Kosovan parliament, holding democratic elections, and the creation of multi-ethnic police and security forces. Unrest still stirred in the outlying towns and villages of Kosovo where racial strife, led to sporadic attacks on orthodox churches, and the scouring of non-Albanian homes, attacks equated by Serbs to the worst ethnic cleansings of the 90’s. Sectionalism, all stirred by sensational misinformation by ultranationalists, about renewed conflict and race war, required the deployment of additional NATO forces to secure heritage sites in Kosovo, and a renewed push to pursue a concrete treaty between Kosovo and Servia-Montenegro.

UN-managed talks between Serbia-Montenegro and Kosovo representatives clarified the crux of the issue. The big I, independence was the sticking point. For Serbs, independence would be a step too far, a terrible wound to their pride and a loss of 15% of its ‘sovereign territory’, their negotiators instead favoured some version of home rule as would be achieved in Montenegro in 2006, that would preserve almost complete autonomy for Kosovo but without that final severance., Serb President Tadic phrased his position thusly “we cannot accept a defeatist position, our sovereignty has a right to be protected”.

But for Kosovans like the elected President Fatmir Sejdiu, it was the only step "Independence is the alpha and omega, the beginning and end of our position,". Too much blood had been spilt, to accept anything less than a total and complete separation of the two.

It didn’t take long for talks to deadlock, despite the hopeful language of U.N. envoy Martii Ajtisaari. “We intend to conclude these talks by the end of the year,” he said in 2006. And true to his word the talks continued.

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(left to right) Serbian President Tadic, UN Envoy Ajtisaari and Kosovo President Sejdiu

As emissaries from the European Union, probed each side for any potential diplomatic openings, a major shift occurred in 2006, when on a technical basis, Montenegro voted in a referendum to remain in the State-Union with Serbia (A majority favoured independence, but a supermajority was required for an exit). This decision forced the Serbian parliament to adopt numerous concessions designed to soothe relations between Belgrade and Podgorica.

A series of reform committees were broached between Montenegrin PM Milo Đukanović and Serbian PM Vojislav Koštunica between whom great animosity had flared in the referendum campaign, but enough differences were set aside to put together a confidence-building programme that tried to weave a new national identity of their loose confederacy, that included separate currencies, police, and granted Montenegro its own department of foreign affairs, which immediately took to mostly supporting Kosovo’s stance in negotiations.

This dance quickly impacted the ongoing Kosovo talks, as one of Đukanovi’s chief demands for easing relations between the nations was a swifter path to EU membership “Failure to make progress on our entry [to the EU], makes our disunion inevitable” asking Serbian leaders to make concessions on war crime tribunals and negotiations with Kosovo, to progress Serbia-Montenegro’s bid.

By early 2007, there was evidence that the concerted lobbying of EU officials and Montenegrin MPs were having an effect, most obvious by the dramatic arrest of Serbian General and accused war criminal Ratko Mladić in December 2006, who was cornered by balaclava-garbed Serbian Police in suburbs of the capital

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(left to right) Serbian PM Koštunica, Newspapers report Mladics arrest, Montenegro PM Đukanović

This arrest was followed up by Serbian parliamentary elections, which shifted the balance of its government, seeing the ultra-nationalist Serbian Radical Party gain support at the expense of the coalition government. “The radicals are anti-reformist, anti-democratic, we are choosing to renew a responsible government,” said Koštunica, more reliant than ever on liberal Pro EU backing.

Then in March, the U.N. released its blueprint for a complex plan for ‘complete autonomy’ for Kosovo. Mr Ahtisaari pressed for an ‘everything but’ strategy for Kosovo, it would be allowed its own national symbols, security force and membership of international organizations without any direct reference to independence. Major powers largely supported the plan, including the United States Secretary of State George Mitchell and Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov both principal advisers in the talks who agreed that a “managed process of de-coupling” was much more preferable to unilateral independence, and President Putin was pleased that the United Nations was especially supportive of the right of separatists, hoping to apply the framework to the independence of the Georgian separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia “These are the universal principles, that sensible powers should abide … Russia will always support the national will of small nations” a statement viewed with scepticism by those disdainful of his Chechen war policies.

But despite the position of the major powers Serbia faced tough political downwind, foreign minister Draskovic warned that these plans could force Serbia “to turn away from the international space and significantly harm our position” for Serbia-Montenegro going forward. Increasingly diplomatically isolated, the Serbian leadership remained doggedly intransigent “Though I respect these party's interests” said PM Koštunica “We hope to defend our territorial integrity and sovereignty under international law”, and in the weeks that followed tensions flared among Kosovan Serb in yet more riots that U.N. police utilized aggressive force to curtail, and nationalist Serbs tarred the Finnish Ahtassari as a puppet of Albanian gangsters, and cried fowl at the coordinated betrayal by both Russia and the United States.

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(left to right) The U.S. Secretary George Mitchell, Nationalist Serb protest, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Savrov

Their position in negotiations was undermined further by the position of the Montenegro parliament and government, which fully endorsed the Ahtisaari agreement using its own parliament and State-Union ministers to support ratification, as Đukanovic argued that it would be best for Serbia-Montenegro to cede ‘every meter’ of Kosovo “we need good relations with our neighbours” and that complained that further negotiations were time wasting and harming the countries extremely fragile fabric.

Kosovans were too becoming frustrated, pushing for either the U.N. Security Council or the European Council to unilaterally recognise their independence, should the status agreement negotiations fall through yet again. Kosovans like Vetto Surroi, vented their annoyance as he trudged to the Austrian mountains to enter what he called 'final negotiations', “We have been frustrated for many years, we are at the last lap of our marathon”, only to be surprised by the sudden progress of negotiations.

Shunned internationally, following reports of a failure to extract a veto commitment at the United Nations from either Russia or China, meant the agreement could be solidified with or without Serb backing and thus the Serbs offered new terms, either joint control over ethnic Serbian territory, or the creation of an autonomous Kosovan Serb territory, offers both refused by Kosovo. After that the Serbs finally conceded to the inevitable, knowing that unilateral independence of Kosovo, could lead to the unilateral independence of Montenegro and thus the complete swift and embarrassing collapse, one that Servia and the E.U. hoped to avoid, the negotiations committed Serbia to the framework of the Ahtassari ‘everything-but’ plan, able to at least claim at least de-jure sovereignty over Kosovo, despite exerting zero influence over any inch of the country.

The Vienna agreement was followed up by a unilateral vote in the Kosovo parliament ratifying the agreement, a move not mirrored in Belgrade which chose to use the opportunity to rehash the constitution, which continued to recognize complete control over Kosovo, but stubbornness aside, the writing was on the paper, and in time the United Nations welcomed its newest, 193rd member state, Kosovo in 2008

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(left to right) Serbians fly Serbian flags, Kosovans fly the flag of Kosovo, Kosovans fly the Albanian flag
With Russia and China not opposing Kosovo's independence in this ATL and Serbian nationalists feeling betrayed, Serbian nationalism will soon die out and become dustbin of history or fringe element of society similar to Croatia in OTL, this would also mean more peaceful and stable Balkans.
 
Plot twist
The more utopian the timeline the cringier it is
I'm not sure if I can call TTL utopian.... better than OTL in my opinion but not by leaps and bounds :p Our timeline could be utopian if humans weren't so silly (and by silly I mean all human folly)
 
I'm not sure if I can call TTL utopian.... better than OTL in my opinion but not by leaps and bounds
Oh I absolutely agree, I did mention before that this world isnt a utopia at all(we even still had funny moustache man ffs!) which is why I only used "more utopian" in the sense of being sightly better
 
I'm not sure if I can call TTL utopian.... better than OTL in my opinion but not by leaps and bounds :p Our timeline could be utopian if humans weren't so silly (and by silly I mean all human folly)
I think this timeline is more of a continuation of the 90s in its spirit, for better or worse.
Instead of the chaotic consequences (like the ones in pretty much most countries in Arab Spring) or the hopeful changes (Krygzstan, I think, and... last few years pretty much destroyed all the examples I would have put here) of the popular revolts that was something that was unexperienced probably since the WW1, we have the economically neoliberal and otherwise unideological autocracies of the 90s surviving.
The Internet continues on the trends of the '90s, with the companies that spearheaded the Internet before the millennium simply just adapting to the new features and occasionally watching the rivals that destroyed them in our timeline get stomped on by external factors.
Pop culture is as bright and cheesy as the one in the nineties, and this theme of Continuing Nineties is not limited to the main actors.
Turkey (as I am now realizing, despite helping Iwanh with the chapter) is continuing the tradition of the army interfering in politics, Serbia continues to be in a convoluted and extremely confusing situation they seem to be stuck since the end of the Yugoslav Wars, and EU is in a period of extended honeymoon and expansion, though one that will probably have a bad end, thanks to a bald Dutchman.
 
I wonder if something like The Mirage will exist in this timeline.
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I think this timeline is more of a continuation of the 90s in its spirit, for better or worse.
Instead of the chaotic consequences (like the ones in pretty much most countries in Arab Spring) or the hopeful changes (Krygzstan, I think, and... last few years pretty much destroyed all the examples I would have put here) of the popular revolts that was something that was unexperienced probably since the WW1, we have the economically neoliberal and otherwise unideological autocracies of the 90s surviving.
The Internet continues on the trends of the '90s, with the companies that spearheaded the Internet before the millennium simply just adapting to the new features and occasionally watching the rivals that destroyed them in our timeline get stomped on by external factors.
Pop culture is as bright and cheesy as the one in the nineties, and this theme of Continuing Nineties is not limited to the main actors.
Turkey (as I am now realizing, despite helping Iwanh with the chapter) is continuing the tradition of the army interfering in politics, Serbia continues to be in a convoluted and extremely confusing situation they seem to be stuck since the end of the Yugoslav Wars, and EU is in a period of extended honeymoon and expansion, though one that will probably have a bad end, thanks to a bald Dutchman.
Well put.

I think on the pop culture note the aesthetics of TRL and other 2000-01 pre-9/11 entertainment (which survived well into 02/03ish OTL even with the Twins destroyed) probably is what you'd code as "2000s pop culture" more than anything else, and YouTube has similar vibes
 
Well put.

I think on the pop culture note the aesthetics of TRL and other 2000-01 pre-9/11 entertainment (which survived well into 02/03ish OTL even with the Twins destroyed) probably is what you'd code as "2000s pop culture" more than anything else, and YouTube has similar vibes
So there would a longer and more prominent use of the Y2K aesthetic.
 
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