Patton is honestly a blast to write in this, especially because he’s politically very different than OTL, but still remains his very vulgar self.Loving this look at the social effects of the war.
And gotta say, Patton seems spot on here.
I will say to everyone that a number of things seem to be missed. The first, and overwhelmingly most important, is that the Overton Window has been so drastically shifted that there is basically no longer any ideological overlap in social ideals between the two warring governments, which is extending down to their peoples, a fact which the victor will have to contend with, essentially deradicalizing the vanquished civilian populace.
The other is that even if the West is not actively involved in the fighting, many of them are still nominally aligned with Albany and give credence to at least some of their policies. As for any expectations of serious armed resistance to the victors by the West, I would simply remind you guys that when the fighting between Albany and Washington is done, the winner will be standing with an enormous army that is fully loaded to bear and a war machine running on all cylinders, compared to a large number of mostly empty states who’ve been contending with refugees and holding order together with volunteer militias and state National Guard units. The neutral Pacific Fleet will be of precious little help in a ground war in any situation where the West has to resist.
Yeaahhhh, not happening here. Oh, rest assured, America has its role to play in the coming Second World War, and it’s a big one (the largest industrial power on Earth can’t not have a big role in the largest conflict ever) but the US is not going to just pivot immediately out of a devastating civil war and into the global conflict like a HOI4 playthrough.… "as it should be," as soon as Washington DC falls, the rest of the NatCorp forces will throw down their weapons and Republicans and NatCorps will embrace each other like brothers and proclaim that America is united again... before deciding what they need to "show their strength" by attacking someone outsider (for example Germany). Basically a repeat of the end of the First American Civil War.
Oh I imagine the United States will have some role in WW2 and will make efforts to rebuild.Yeaahhhh, not happening here. Oh, rest assured, America has its role to play in the coming Second World War, and it’s a big one (the largest industrial power on Earth can’t not have a big role in the largest conflict ever) but the US is not going to just pivot immediately out of a devastating civil war and into the global conflict like a HOI4 playthrough.
Thanks so much for reading. The powers we've mentioned are the main players, but a big part of the Republic's (the Smith Administration's) domestic strategy is removing tariff barriers to bolster its industry. The Scandinavian powers would be exporting to the Northeast, but to my understanding the Northeast has enough industrial power to provide for itself, generally. The trick is turning it from an industrial powerhouse into a war machine-- and manning that war machine while fighting the actual war. Mexico is neutral, but happy to collaborate with Long where it can be benefited. This should get an update soon.Just read up to date with this timeline. Great! Really like the way you have made the struggle faced by the republicans and the internal battles of Smith's presidency. Other than the Soviets, Canadians and Axis are there any other foreign powers providing aid to either side? Scandinavian ore and industrial goods for the republicans? Whats mexico's position?
Thanks! Thrilled to hear it!Overall a great read. Normally i read the personal stories in between the wider history and find them a bit lacking but with this timeline i read every personal story and anecdote .They really are well written and totally flesh out the world. Keep up the great work!
The black experience in the war is something we agreed would warrant its own chapter entirely, and we’ll be covering all four parts of the US in it, so needless to say, complicated. What we have said thus far is that the Republican military is desegregated, and the Natcorps are instituting such a hardline version of Jim Crow that it’s more accurate to call it a form of Apartheid. We’ll elaborate more soon, especially on the situation in the South.Seems to me American women will be the new Amazon by war's end. That and the sucessful showing of LGBT+ soldiers will undoubtably improve their social standing in post-war America, although I doubt it'll be kumbaya. Perhaps we'll see them have a greater part in the future Civil Rights Movement.
Speaking about Civil Rights, what about the black situation up North? Undoubtably, I can see them sharing the same situation with the other two minorities.
Any update on the Chicano situation?The black experience in the war is something we agreed would warrant its own chapter entirely, and we’ll be covering all four parts of the US in it, so needless to say, complicated. What we have said thus far is that the Republican military is desegregated, and the Natcorps are instituting such a hardline version of Jim Crow that it’s more accurate to call it a form of Apartheid. We’ll elaborate more soon, especially on the situation in the South.
That is coming in our next visit to the Longist South, and for those who are curious, the Asian American situation in the Pacific states will also be touched upon when we next visit themAny update on the Chicano situation?
The other thing to keep in mind is that Neutrality isn’t meaningfully conservative. Its standard-bearers in the Senate, like William Gibbs McAdoo and Hiram Johnson, are progressives and promoting expansive economic reforms in their states.I can imagine that Asian Americans will have a complex situation where the Western States don't like them too much (because they didn't like them before the war) but the WS also don't want to be too aggressive with them because it might seem like they are aligning themselves with NatCorp segregationism, nor too nice so that it doesn't seem like they are too pro-Republic and that attracts a NatCorp attack.
I burst out laughing when I read that for the first time. Definitely something Patton would say.Meanwhile, Patton, true to crass form, said only, “I don't care how many cocks a man's sucked, I care how many fascists he's killed!”
So it seems that Natcorp America is returning to Gilded Age conditions.If women and minorities saw decades’ worth of progress within a matter of months in the Republic, those under the jackboot saw decades’ worth of progress lost in the same timeframe
Who is Alan Taft here? Or do you mean Robert Taft?Just wondering but what became of Alan Taft during the SACW, has he become an avid supporter of the NatCorp regime given his VERY reactionary views. Or has the war made him reevaluate his views given the war crimes committed by the NatCorp regime?
Just wondering but what became of Alan Taft during the SACW, has he become an avid supporter of the NatCorp regime given his VERY reactionary views. Or has the war made him reevaluate his views given the war crimes committed by the NatCorp regime?
Who is Alan Taft here? Or do you mean Robert Taft?
Robert Taft would not be a Natcorp ally, as far as I can tell. At this point, Taft is a former state legislator in Ohio, which is of course occupied. Taft was a staunch opponent of prohibition, supported secular education, and during his early career often clashed with the Klan of his state. So his agreements with Natcorpism would not go past economic matters. Even if they did, I don’t think he would join people like the Natcorps.Who is Alan Taft here? Or do you mean Robert Taft?
In the sense that a small clique of tycoons own everything. Of course, it’s quite a bit worse, since Natcorp America is not a democracy. It’s a very brazen oligarchy where said clique just takes all the stuff they want. The Natcorp propaganda line of protecting the propertied order against socialism (and the Republican line of fighting for the common man against big business) thus becomes especially ironic, since MacArthur has probably done more to cajole, regulate, and even loot business— except the ones like Morgan, who he owes his power to. And even they have to pony up for the war.So it seems that Natcorp America is returning to Gilded Age conditions.
Would that be an accurate description of normal/non-wealthy civilians living under the jackboot?
This update certainly will come, and if all goes right it’ll be the next one we put out. The initial purpose of these camps is to provide free labor. They are work camps, and the regime’s main targets (organized labor, working-class people of all races) reflect this. They’re also a political weapon used to get rid of troublemakers. As time goes on, the misery of the camps becomes less about having factory fodder you don’t have to pay and more about inflicting suffering on the Glorious Leader’s enemies. This is heavily influenced by the personal neurosis of J. Edgar Hoover.On a scale of "WWII Japanese American internment" to "Auschwitz Holocaust death sentence," how bad are the Natcorp prison camps?
Could we get an update on that?
So, at this point, more like Soviet-style gulags rn?This update certainly will come, and if all goes right it’ll be the next one we put out. The initial purpose of these camps is to provide free labor. They are work camps, and the regime’s main targets (organized labor, working-class people of all races) reflect this. They’re also a political weapon used to get rid of troublemakers. As time goes on, the misery of the camps becomes less about having factory fodder you don’t have to pay and more about inflicting suffering on the Glorious Leader’s enemies. This is heavily influenced by the personal neurosis of J. Edgar Hoover.
And on that note, the likes of Rockefeller and co working for the Republicans makes this all the more ironic.The Natcorp propaganda line of protecting the propertied order against socialism (and the Republican line of fighting for the common man against big business) thus becomes especially ironic, since MacArthur has probably done more to cajole, regulate, and even loot business— except the ones like Morgan, who he owes his power to. And even they have to pony up for the war.